Uday and Qusay Hussein confirmed dead!

[Caid Ivik]

Hey, UN made a resolution, which can be used for attack already in 1998. Just that genius Clinton preferred Monica before Saddam...

[BRAVO]

LOL but still ``the clone of the attack gulf wars 2``was unasked for...saddam WAS NOT a threat to the US...all they wanted was the black gold.... ::)

[Caid Ivik]

If it was so, why they didn't it already in the first part?

[Dante]

Dust scout: WRONG not there fathers country i think he was the worst citizen it was the iraqis country >:(

Did I say he was a good citizen? No; what I said was that he was leader of his country. A country would only belong to the people if it was a democracy and Iraq was certainly not a democracy.

Sure dust scout SHAME ON US! We should never have been there in the first place. SHAME ON US for toppling Saddam's opressive regime, SHAME ON US for bagging two of the most cruel and inhumane people in Iraq's history. SHAME ON US for freeing Iraq from their grasp. SHAME ON US for bringing them to justice. ::)

I suppose it was a bad idea for the French to revold against the aristocrats too...

Yes; yes, yes, yes, yes, yes... and yes. :P Glad to find you're finally seeing the light.

[Sardauker-Kirov]

Where is Emprworm?

I never seen him leaving threads that 'includes' America.

It's funny watching him defend his country and call other countries inferior.

"I am the Alpha and the Omega" complex he has yes. ;D

[SurlyPIG]

They didn't helped because the UN didn't want them too or something.

Odd, America attacked without permission from the UN and doesn't care shit what the UN says.

So what is the motivation of Bush?

Oh really? Then why did they spend months trying to persuade the UN? Why did they validly use 1441 as backing the entire time? If you knew the slightest bit about 1441 and the end of the Gulf War resolutions you would know that it called for nothing less than military intervention for many an offense Saddam committed. How much value is really with the UNSC anyway? It's all about PR bullshit with them. They are a) not elected b) don't have proportional power c) not democratic and d) not representative of the people of the free world.

[Edric O]

They are a) not elected b) don't have proportional power c) not democratic and d) not representative of the people of the free world.

The exact same things apply to Bush...

By the way, in case you're wondering: I'm glad that they finally got those two bastards. Saddam's sons were ruthless butchers, and deserved what they got. But, sadly, there are many others like them who are still in power, and who cause suffering to millions of people across the globe... And they are the leaders of some of the most powerful countries on Earth.

[Sardauker-Kirov]

They didn't helped because the UN didn't want them too or something.

Odd, America attacked without permission from the UN and doesn't care shit what the UN says.

So what is the motivation of Bush?

Oh really? Then why did they spend months trying to persuade the UN? Why did they validly use 1441 as backing the entire time? If you knew the slightest bit about 1441 and the end of the Gulf War resolutions you would know that it called for nothing less than military intervention for many an offense Saddam committed. How much value is really with the UNSC anyway? It's all about PR bullshit with them. They are a) not elected b) don't have proportional power c) not democratic and d) not representative of the people of the free world.

Oh please, give me a break.

They tried to persuade them, to not bring their 'police man' reputation in danger.

But they couldn't persuade them, so they DID ruined their own reputation and make themselves even more hated by the world.

If they helped them before, they made their reputation less worse.

But oh well, the UN are a bunch fools just like the ones in the white house.

[SurlyPIG]

They are a) not elected b) don't have proportional power c) not democratic and d) not representative of the people of the free world.

The exact same things apply to Bush...

I never said they didn't. On the contrary; I've always thought blind loyalty to one person or body of government is very naive. The ones who blindly follow Bush are just as dumb as the ones who blindly followed the UN. One must look at the issue themselves. The distinction between the ones blindly supporting the coalition and the ones blindly supporting the UN is that, in this matter, the latter are wrong. If they'd had their way, Saddam would still be in power killing 160 people per day, his sons would still be murdering people almost at random, and Uday would continue to be a serial rapist. And that's more important than the approval of the approval of five post-WWII powers and ten other countries that might as well be random.

[sneezer3]

I'm still not 100% buying it until they do DNA tests though. And I think they should release the pictures of the bodies,

Sorry if you've already posted something about this... But they have released pictures on TV at least of the bodies.. Some of the Iraqes probbly won't believe it even with DNA tests to prove it though.

[SurlyPIG]

Yep saw that on the news, good decision to release the photos. It'll end all the paranoid speculation from the "Rage-agianst-the-machine-The-truth-is-out-there" type.

EDIT : Photos of their bodies can be found here. Sure as hell looks like them to me, despite the state their faces are in. I certainly hope there any particular hate-driven individual would lower themselves to disputing their deaths now.

[Dante]

I prefer 'cynical' to 'hate-driven.' See my last post for opinions.

[DjCiD]

Ixnay Uday and Qusay ... I have yet to see the pictures, wasn't aware if they had decided to show them off or not.

If Saddam is still out there, I wonder what the Arabian Knight is feeling now?

[quoudam72]

Saddam had already said months ago that "they" were born in Iraq and would die in Iraq (Mike Wallace interview March 2003?) so I took that as he knows death will come to him and he has accepted the fact of the sitution.

[Sardauker-Kirov]

Still strange how they can be so 'fond' to their land, while they murder their own people.

Which are Iraqi.

Saddam and his sons never had honor...

They only care about themselves and their influence over Iraq.

And the ones that 'love' Saddam are either followers of his or brainwashed by his Propoganda.

[Edric O]

I never said they didn't. On the contrary; I've always thought blind loyalty to one person or body of government is very naive. The ones who blindly follow Bush are just as dumb as the ones who blindly followed the UN.

Well said! I completely agree.

One must look at the issue themselves. The distinction between the ones blindly supporting the coalition and the ones blindly supporting the UN is that, in this matter, the latter are wrong. If they'd had their way, Saddam would still be in power killing 160 people per day, his sons would still be murdering people almost at random, and Uday would continue to be a serial rapist. And that's more important than the approval of the approval of five post-WWII powers and ten other countries that might as well be random.

The problem is that the people of Iraq don't seem to be doing any better now than they did in Saddam's time. Maybe the government isn't killing anyone any more, but with the complete lawlessness that pervades the country, I wouldn't be surprised if more people were dying now than at any point in Saddam's regime.

[SurlyPIG]

The way you put it makes it sound as if every Iraqi is constantly blue-faced, running randomly through the streets, forever screaming at the top of their lungs. Total lawlessness is a total exaggeration. Things are far from normal order but at least when normal order is achieved it won't include Saddam's ritualistic political murders and starvation...

[quoudam72]

I think the showing of the photos is "low". The US has always been a step above such tactics. It is almost in the same vein as seeing the photos of lynchings. This is shameful on the American image. The Iraq people did not need that proof that Saddam's regime will not return to power in the future.

[Terror]

heh lol, i would like to see nav get screwed in a firefight.

[quoudam72]

heh lol, i would like to see nav get screwed in a firefight.

As much as we dislike what Nav says sometimes let's not make this into a flame thread against Nav. He deserves not the attention that would generate in his favor.

[mordusxxx]

how can u say that was low of the us to show the pics of uday and qusay, many people including myslef was relieved to know that there dead. i could of been like iraqians who might not believe they are dead because there just pictures and even the dna test can be sabatoged so who knows but at least there is some relief in the pics

[SurlyPIG]

I agree with mord. If not for the release of the pics nobody would have believed the US. I'd bet anything that all the hypocritical bleeding hearts would be piling up their conspiracy theories right now if not for the release of the photos.

[mordusxxx]

very well said :-X ;)

[SurlyPIG]

Here's the part where the bleeding hearts, the same ones who would have demanded photographic proof of the Hussein sons' deaths, chastise the US military for breeching Geneva guidelines.

[mordusxxx]

also it would give the iraqi people who actually believe in Uday and qusay on what they do to fight back and to keep there regime alive and kicking, i am proud to say i am an american when they said troops killed them because frankly i think they should of nuked there terrorist ass the first time, think about it we nuked japan for not giving up in a war that we knew we would easily win and for bombing pearl harbour, look what these people in iraq did to there country men, innoccent people and harbouring terrorist who were involved or if not knowing about nine eleven, think about it, sometimes it makes me sick to know that there are people out there who dont give a damn on what they do only to please themselves even if it means raping and killing thousands of innocent people