Big idea for me.lol dont laugh!

[TMA_1]

I had this idea right before going to sleep so I dont know if this is complete bull crap or actually really neat.lol

Basically I was wondering about this:

The Chaos theory is taken by many but not all scientists now days. It started by scientists looking at the weather patterns and how

they are ever changing and never the same. I say that since the earth itself in general is a closed system, you could take the psi factor

and actually show that there are limits to the amounts of variables. Any closed system has limitations in the amount of variables it can have. So since you can use numbers to "blue-print" the dimensions of space-time, couldnt you then calculate closed distances to read into the future? I have heard this is possible before, and though it would take one heck of a calculator, I wonder if its possible.lol Another thing is this. Various mathematics dealing with the chaos theory such as fractle geometry and others can as well be mapped or "blue printed" with numbers. Since numbers are contained in a space, doesnt it mean that the space it lies in is limited logically? How can a finite object or idea seat itself right in an infinite space? If this is true than all the universe can potentially be mapped by the blue prints of numbers. This means that there are ways of predicting the future by using this mathematic idea. You can also look into the past by understanding the blue prints of the numbers and follow it's path back in time.

I had to modify this whole thing because some of the symbols wouldnt load darn it.lol I had to make a picture of the calculations I made. From what I can see about the comments, dont think it is making much sense to you guys...lol I sill want to see if somebody gets it.

Does any of this make sense to any of you? or was is pretty much a bologna pre-dream idea? :)[attachment archived by Gobalopper]

[Nyarlathotep]

TMA, you hit your head or something ? ;D

j/k

[lowzeewee]

Hmmmmm........it makes 0% sense......hmmmm

[TMA_1]

come on guys, I need feed back. even bad feedback.

*please dont give me bad feedback.lol ;)

[Miles]

Well, TMA, first of all, Earth is not even close to being a closed system. Energy, objects, etc... are constantly coming into our atmosphere from the sun and elsewhere.

Secondly, is it possible to know all the variables in the universe? Maybe if we did, your hypothesis might hold, but I don't see it happening. There are too many variables in the universe.

Your idea is interesting, especially with our understanding of the relationship of the universe to math. I think though, that our measely understanding and limited perception make this highly unlikely.

[Apollyon]

I think that for the most part youre correct, TMA. However, there are too many variables and variables of those variables for it to be particularly useful. Also, the "space" of this universe is not infinite, it merely expands at the speed of light (this is obviously just theory) and so the "limited-by-space" numbers can exist without any ambiguity.

[nemafakei]

You've lost me. You're trying to perform numerical comparisons on sets, not numbers...

[Davidu]

Your idea is in its early stages... Spend some days over it... "polish" it... think it through again, make it more clear and try to give examples.

[Egeides]

Your idea is in its early stages... Spend some days over it... "polish" it... think it through again, make it more clear and try to give examples.

Yep, and hit your head a few times more in the process, it seems to give great results.

PS: Even if I'm not math-guy but more philosophy-history-politics-etc-guy I'll try to get what it's all about... Still have scientific bases.

[Davidu]

Egeides, please don't quote what I wrote if you answer to what I said. Your post is right next to mine... you don't have to quote what I wrote 5 line above... PLS!! :-[

[Vanguard3000]

First of all: As Miles said, the Earth is not a closed system. The Solar system is, somewhat.

Personally, I think you are right that everything in the universe is finite (I don't really believe in infinity at all, let alone this "near infinite" term that seem to fly out of the mouths of highly educated people). Theoretically, one could predict what will happen in the universe, based on chaos theory, but in order to do this, you would need to know about everything in the universe, which is impossible.

[TMA_1]

exactly. Many scientists move away from the "expanding" universe and take on the idea of a "flat" universe that is in how I see it "quasi infinite". basically if you turned a rocket a certain direction and it kept going and wouldnt stop, it would eventually return to where it started. kinda like on those old atari games.hehe

adding or subtracting from infinity is impossible. finite and infinite cannot come together so I have come to the realization that the universe is a closed system. So you could chart it out and if you could chart the present, couldnt you perfectly predict the future? (i.e. kinda like navigating machines?)

[Davidu]

That's the curved space theory that you exposed up there TMA...

I think it's correct. The only thing that might be infinite is TIME, don't you think?

[TMA_1]

yup, I particularly think that matter is finite because it has size and mass, even light. Time is another story. Obviously time is not just something we have thought up of, but can actually be bent and altered. Like for example, the sun is such a large and electromagentically powerful object in space, it effects Time-space around it. I remember studying a scientist called Dr. DeBrogle (I believe thats how you spell it) that actually came up with a concept during the phases of the relativety threory and others during the early 20th century. He had the idea that energy and matter were one in the same. All things are just energy in reality. So could time be something a little more "mundane" than we think it is?

[Davidu]

<<mundane>> - wtf is that? ???

If time is mande out of matter it means it can be altered... if it can be altered then we could become immortals.

[TMA_1]

mundane means plain or average, not that amazing. I probably spelled it wrong though.lol

I didnt say that Time is matter, but that it can be manipulated. If that is so then it must be a thing (using that word because I couldnt say its physically substancial) that can be used in many ways how matter is used. Ofcourse it is much more complicated than that but remember guys, I have never claimed to be knowledgable in that area. I am not saying that it is matter or anything. Just that it must be tangable in some sort of way. That all things in this universe are somehow connected to eachother. The Unified Theory. There has to be a truth in the background, which science acknowledges, but says is impossible to find.