The United Nations

[nampigai]

Israel have nukes, and you, youself have said that the US is the most powerfull nation in the world. But please answer my question what would you do if you were a palestinian? they have christians too.

[emprworm]

if i were a palestinian, i would not resist. that is really stupid in my opinion.

its like a civil war army going up against a 21st century batallion of Delta elite soldiers. It is truly suicide. they have no chance at all. the only thing I would do is voice my opinion to the rest of the world, hoping they will come help me.

Tibet tried this, but no one came to help. Iraqi's have been doing this for 30 years, and only now does someone finally come to help. Palestinians have enough friends, but they are not coming to help.

but physical resistence seems pretty futile.

[nampigai]

and you honestly believe that anyone would help them? I for my account wouldn't be a sucide bomber but I wouldn't just sit on my arse seeing my people be treated like dirt.

[emprworm]

then its time for palestine to fold.

there's something you learn in poker: its called when to fold.

that time has come for palestine.

this is nothing new in this world. currently, there is a dagestan / russian conflict. Same exact deal. Same thing with Tibet, but those people are too gentle by nature to fight. Hussein tried to annex Kuwait, but was stopped by us. This is just normal humanity. happened thousands of times in the past, and happens today. Israel/palestine is just another land dispute among the thousands throughout history. There will be a winner...and a loser.

its pretty obvious who lost already. so best thing to do is just fold.

[nampigai]

We should have folded when Hitler rolled over Europe too? You mind is starting to frighten me comparing world policy with a game of cards, when will the US find a country interresting and annex it? that country would just have to fold and deal with it.

[emprworm]

huh? we weren't about to lose the war against Hitler. But France folded, Poland folded. what else do you do? with a guy like HItler who has a clear motive to kill non-whites, I suppose you fight until the death. But Sharon is not out to kill all non-Jews. That is a perposterous notion. Japan folded to the US. A wise thing to do, because it was pretty obvious that if they fold, violence will stop.

folding to Hitler would not end voilence for non-whites.

folding to Sharon will end violence against palestine.

[nampigai]

France had a resitence, so did Norway, Denmark and even Germany, but I guess they were wrong.

So you say that if the US came and told me I should pack my things and leave cause now they wanted my land and if I didn't they'd drop a nuke, then I should simply "fold"? Guess again.

[emprworm]

lol Nam. you just don't get it! Everytime you post, you are so off-base in reflecting what I'm saying, it is getting to be kind of surprsiing.

France had a resitence, so did Norway, Denmark and even Germany

normal. who WOULDNT resist when someone marches into your home to annex your land?

but I guess they were wrong.

hmmm..interesting opinion. Why do you think they were wrong?

I think they were right to resist.

So you say that if the US came and told me I should pack my things and leave cause now they wanted my land and if I didn't they'd drop a nuke, then I should simply "fold"?

nope. i dont think you would believe they would actually drop a nuke. but suppose they did. and suppose the rest of the world does nothing to help you and just sits by. in that case....yes. fold or get out quick (i would get out quick). to sit around for the next nuke holding your middle finger in the air pointed at the sky in the direction of the US will not do much to help you. But if you DID want to camp under the next Nuke....well...that is your choice my friend.

[Caid Ivik]

To be correct, civilised nation won't drop nuke. And Israel is civilised, they just live in messy area, so also their politics are rather more action.

[DjCiD]

I believe that the native Americans should get back all their land, and then the Euro-american and afro-american should just have to cope with it or MOVE.

What if every one was made to give all their land back, I mean all the way back. If everyone went home, wouldn't we all end up in the same place somewhere in the East. ;)

[nampigai]

Emprworm, first you say noone would just sit by and let some one roll over their country and then you say, if they know the enemy's strength is higher than their own they should fold? I don't get that?

and really I wouldn't be intimidated by anyone, if they wanted to throw me out it woul be my dead corpse they'ld be carrying.

You're right CiD we would all end up the same place, but just because annexing others have been going on for all history, that does not IMO justify it.

[Caid Ivik]

First thing which we have to believe is that everything isn't ours in all ways. We have to care for what is under our responsibility, and enjoying fruit of it a right for any nation. But no place on world belongs to a nation, it just cares for it. State's primary sense should be making this place habitable for its citizens, also to eliminate fear of violence. UN's cause is to care such over whole planet by resolutions, which had to be accepted and turn into life. If please fails, then must come intimidating. And after it, only force is usable...

[nampigai]

onething I believe most of us can agree on is that there is little use for the UN anymore as no one seem to respect them. (maybe rightfully so)

[Caid Ivik]

At least USA works for them! Without them, Iraq would enjoy Kuwait oil for even nowadays.

[nampigai]

I don't see it that way, you can't just claim leadership instead we should disolve the UN and create a stronger organisation. I don't believe that the UN will stand much longer but then again I'm beginning to be more and more pessimestic.

[Caid Ivik]

If every country was so active, than you wouldn't be. Just others are lazy.

[nampigai]

but others have a right to be heard otherwise no need for the UN we should just call it US instead.

[Caid Ivik]

They are heard. It's cause of Chirac, who is French, who told us, small countries like Slovakia, to be silent...

[nampigai]

Well I agree on that point, he has no right to dictate other sovereign nations, but he's not the only one against the war. As it is now our premier said that he haven't thought of what to do if the new res. are rejected, but from the sound of him it looks as if we still will support a war.

[Dunenewt]

The UN will go the same way as the League of Nations with the same concequences

[nampigai]

I'm affraid so, but I hope not.

[emprworm]

Emprworm, first you say noone would just sit by and let some one roll over their country and then you say, if they know the enemy's strength is higher than their own they should fold? I don't get that?

and really I wouldn't be intimidated by anyone, if they wanted to throw me out it woul be my dead corpse they'ld be carrying.

You're right CiD we would all end up the same place, but just because annexing others have been going on for all history, that does not IMO justify it.

its quite easy: you fight, you resist. Then you come to the point where you realize that there is no chance you are going to be victorious. When you reach this point, you now have 3 options: fight to the death, attempt to flee, fold.

you should ask yourself a few questions:

1. Are those taking over my land so ruthless that even if I fold, they will enslave me or others?

2. What quality of life/freedom will I and others have living under those taking over my land?

depending upon those answers, will you make your decision to fight and die, to flee, or fold.

Palestine should FOLD because they will have freedom in Israel: religious freedom, personal freedom. They will probably actually have an increase in their material quality of life.

People being conquered under HItler should not fold because the answers to those 2 questions would have been horrible.

[alejandro]

its quite easy: you fight, you resist. Then you come to the point where you realize that there is no chance you are going to be victorious. When you reach this point, you now have 3 options: fight to the death, attempt to flee, fold.

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No chance to be victorious??? If they resist, they could win.

[Anathema]

Emp the Palestinian terrorist factions are the ones who provoke Israel, as I said before. I think that the terrorists who blow themselves aren't considering the consequenses of their actions for their families and their people.