Saddam got 99.99% of the vote. Here's why

[Anathema]

I'm quite aware of Gulf War history, thank you. What you said is essentially correct, but the Vietam war, Panama and every single one of all the coups the US did in Latin America were all UN violations.

[emprworm]

I'm quite aware of Gulf War history, thank you. What you said is essentially correct, but the Vietam war, Panama and every single one of all the coups the US did in Latin America were all UN violations.

lol! nice diversion. wont work with me.

back on topic:

the reason why we are in this mess today is a stupid UN decision made in the Gulf war. THe US should have turned its nose on the impotent UN back in 1991 and just finished the job...and we wouldn't be here today.

[DjCiD]

I do feel the same that Saddam should have been dealt with back in the Gulf War; but wasn't the objective to liberate Kuwait. If it would have been to ride of Saddam at least we wouldn't be in this situation now... or would one of his sons took over where Saddam left off?

[emprworm]

yup! the UN, in its endless beuaracratic politicking told all peoples to cease fire, allowing Saddam to crawl back in his tyrranical shell and rebuild. a bad mistake. it would have been SOOO EEAAASY to finish the job. the army was already nixed. his weapons were non-existant. casualties would be at a complete and utter minimum.

the UN is so utterly weak, it baffles me the more I think about it.

[Davidu]

History is full of bad decisions. And if you don't know the history, it will repeat istself. Now you understood something: always finish the job!

We have a saying: "The one that you won't kill won't let you live".

[Caid Ivik]

Bad desicions were. But it always ends with good ;)

[Anathema]

Then you agree, Emp, that the UN should be stronger?

[emprworm]

Then you agree, Emp, that the UN should be stronger?

i agree they should be legitimate. what France is doing now is destroying the UN. or what's left of it.

[Anathema]

I agree that Frances actions (or rather that of Chirac) are counter productive.

I think resolutions should be enforced better, not just to bad guys but to everyone, and nations will show more respect for the UN. And veto right should be abolished.

[Caid Ivik]

I agree. Veto is thing for Holy Roman Empire, not for democratic UN!

[emprworm]

well i dont like the organization of it. it makes no sense that countries like Canada and the US get only 1 rep in the UN. Yet you have a chunk of land the size of my backyard with 1 billion dinky little muslim countries all getting their own reps in the UN.

Europe...ALL OF IT...should have 1 representative. same with africa...same with Asia... any less is not fair. otherwise give the US 50 representatives and canada the same

[Anathema]

Wel Canada isn't very densely populated so I don't know about them, but the rest of it makes sense :)

[emprworm]

hmmm well you raise a good point.

reps in the UN should be according to.....?

we cant just say "population" because you'd have countries like INdia...jam packed with a billion people getting all the reps

but population should have some factor.

borders alone i don't think is enough. maybe some kind of formula taking all into account: borders, population, economic strength

[Dunenewt]

Emp what are you on

ONE VOTE FOR THE WHOLE OF EUROPE!

Anyway this is the first time I've disagreed with you so I'll let you of this time ::) ;)

[emprworm]

Emp what are you on

ONE VOTE FOR THE WHOLE OF EUROPE!

Anyway this is the first time I've disagreed with you so I'll let you of this time ::) ;)

well if the whole of US gets one vote, and the whole of canada gets 1 vote, its hardly fair for Europe to get a bazillion votes.

[Anathema]

Well maybe it's time you really join the US then Dunenewt ::)

[Dunenewt]

Well if Canada gets one vote the UK Germany France (when Germany and France get more responcible leaders) Spain, Italy and Russia should get one maybe even the Czech Republic

[Gobalopper]

The US should break up into 50 seperate states. :)

[DjCiD]

Woo Hoo!! I knew I saved my great grand Pappy's Confederate money for a good reason!! The South is rising again! That way we can be just like Europe and get a whole bunch of votes. Each state can have its own language and currency too!! Woo Hoo! ;D

So would more ppl be for separating the States to get more votes or decreasing the amount Europe gets? Or we could just increase the amount other countries have.

[Gobalopper]

I think it would make more sense to just re-organize the way voting works. Instead of basing it on each country one vote, come up with benchmarks like military power, population, some sort of civil rights rating maybe? There are lots of different factors that would even it out.

[DjCiD]

That would make a lot more sense than population and land size. But who would reorganize it? Maybe Slick Willie when he runs for the UN election. ;D

[Mahdi]

Interesting historical note: Because of Canada's contributions in the two world wars they pushed for (and many supported the idea) of there recieving a permenant seat/veto power on the UN Securities council. One major power didn't want them in, I forget which (it's been two years) so they didn't get in. Most likley it was Russia or America (Russia because it would give the west more power in the UN, States because Canada is a small country and technically a part of Britain, at the time.)

It's been two years, correct me where I'm wrong if you ahve the right info.

[emprworm]

well canada belongs there before surrendering France any day. Get france out of there!