Humans - Imperfect beings?

[Avrillian_Sard01]

Sometimes, I think that we humans are simply imperfect beings w/c God created for his own personal enjoyment...(Sorry to diss some of the more religious people here...)

All of a sudden I just wanted to make this thread...so feel free to post anything at all about the subject...(I probably made this out of dissatisfaction...w/ the world and myself...)

[Nyarlathotep]

According to the story, God made us practicly pefect. All we (Adam and Eve) had to do was follow His instructions. We failed at that and we're the result of that. Humans are imperfect, there's nothing wrong with that as long as you can accept it. I doubt God is playing with us though.

If you're dissatisfied with yourself, you may want to try and figure out why :)

My 2cnts anyway...

[Caid Ivik]

He made us perfect relatively for this world. Of course in comparement to Him we weren't. But even we were degradated by influence of Satan.

[Davidu]

If we're imperfect then we can try to become perfect, and I think that's the best quest a human beign can ever have. So, we'll have something to do.

If you were perfect what would you do?

( personnaly I would die of boardness)

[Acriku]

Avril, I share your reasoning :)

I can't think that God created Humans in his image. For one, an image requires space and time. God is outside of space and time. Also, if we were created perfect, then we could not have possibly become imperfect. Imperfections cannot come from perfections, otherwise they would not be perfections.

I want to know why God put the tree there in the first place? No tree, no eating the tree, no fall, no evil. Put the tree there, and God becomes the first tempter. Satan just followed through.

[Nyarlathotep]

Acriku, the tree was there for a reason. As far as I know it was God's tree (anyone correct me if I'm wrong). "Satan" as you call it, wasn't there from the beginning. "Satan" was an angel which God had asked to protect the earth. That angel became Satan as we know it because it wished more power (and took it).

[Tenzul]

I can't think that God created Humans in his image. For one, an image requires space and time. God is outside of space and time.

It isn't meant physicaly, but spiritualy.

[Acriku]

Acriku, the tree was there for a reason. As far as I know it was God's tree (anyone correct me if I'm wrong). "Satan" as you call it, wasn't there from the beginning. "Satan" was an angel which God had asked to protect the earth. That angel became Satan as we know it because it wished more power (and took it).

God's tree? That's no reason to put it in the Garden of Eden where Adam and Eve could easily pick fruit from. Make it touch the clouds so it's in the Garden but not able to be picked. Like Jack's Beanstalk.

It isn't meant physicaly, but spiritualy.

And spiritual images are outside of space and time? Also, what spiritual image is this?

[Apollyon]

It is a teaching that two such trees existed: the tree of life and the tree of wisdom.

We ate of the tree of wisdom and thus became capable (supposedly) of wisdom equal to that of God's.

God is (by this teaching) he who ate of both apples.

So does this not show God to be in this way selfish not to share intelligence?

Just an interjection...

[Acriku]

Assuming God is able to 'eat' apples... This is most likely applying human characteristics to a deity to make it simpler to believe, like Greek gods.

And if god is omnipotent and omniscient, why would need those trees? He has no use for them. Oh wait, I forgot, to tempt Adam and Eve.

[Apollyon]

Remember that this is all metaphorical, Presumably.

[Acriku]

Ok let's say it is metaphorical, or allegorical. How do we distinguish the other stories between real and allegorical? What standard can we use to do so? The whole friggin' bible could be allegorical, just methods of explaining the world around them including some historical facts.

[Caid Ivik]

Maybe just you aren't enough intelligent to understand it. But you will improve, in 15 years I wasn't good philosopher too, and today I am not the best still. ;)

[Cyborg]

I hate the whole thing about a metaphorical book like the bible.

It's written so that the text in the bible doesn't really matter, but how each person want the text...

Btw, if you read the bible and not think metaphorically, you will find out that God isn't perfect ;)

I side with Acriku here. It was evil done of God to place that tree there and tempt them with denying them to eat from it.

And why the heck shouldn't God share some wisdom with the two first humans? Selfish, selfish.

[Caid Ivik]

SOME shared. But not all. It was a test of our strength.

[Cyborg]

SOME shared. But not all. It was a test of our strength.

Are you stating that God played games with the first to humans he created?

He already knew wether or not they would grab the apples anyway...

[Caid Ivik]

If you think so, then God is playing this game still. ::)

[Cyborg]

I have heard (from people who believe in God) that God knows the future and everything that happens is his intention.

Is that true?

[Caid Ivik]

He ignores time. He created the "flowing world". Hard to explain, but I think you understand, that this question is a nonsense.

[Cyborg]

Why doesn eh know when armageddon will take place then?

[Caid Ivik]

I am not angel, nor God, so I really don't know how He plans it. It's like a game for Him without possibility of loss (at least we christians hope so). Interventions like Jesus or flood are comparable to...ehm...cheats.

[Cyborg]

It's like a game for Him without possibility of loss

Oh God! I'm only a character in a game!

;D

j/k

btw, I know this question has been asked before but I want to ask it again.

Why is there an endless universe filled with planets and sunsystems when Earth is the only place with intelligent life on it?

The answer we found last time was that God needed something to do after he was done with the earth and such :)

[Davidu]

We don't know if there are no more intelligent beings in the Universe...

If we're alone we're cursed to forever wage wars against ourselves.

If we're not alone we'll wage war against someone else then.

Anyway... there will be competition.

What I hope is that we aren't alone...

[Cyborg]

I don't think we are alone, but in my last post, I was trying to think from a "christian" point of view.

[Davidu]

I understand.

The religion says we're alone, right?

The humans ussualy fight, they like to fight, therefore they'll fight.

If there is no external enemy so they'll slaughter themselves.

What a nice religion! Instead of uniting the humanity it's actually ripping it apart. I would really like to hear a priest saying:"We all must unite, we are all brothers after all, the children of God. We must unite in order to explore and colonise the whole universe that God made for us."

Beleive me, you'll never hear that!