Rants Against Emprworm Thread

[Nyarlathotep]

wooo! this is good. feel the release as your anger pours out. you feel so much better! Don't hold back now. let your anger go, my son. There there. I really *do* care about you.

Ehhr.. I don't have any anger. I just asked a question to you :)

[nemafakei]

This post contains nothing but my judgement of Emp's conduct, based on the posts I have seen in his debates with myself and others. No anger and malevolence whatsoever; to the best of my knowledge, this post is all true, and I will be most insulted if I am told that this is a flame post. Emprworm, if you do not like people thinking what is contained here, you must either change your style of debating, or at least the way you come across. Because your conduct seems to be rather less than exemplary.

Do you deliberately set yourself up to infuriate people (through various means) to goad them into saying something you can point at and say "he's flaming me"? Or is this just the impression I get over and over again?

Empr has made me seen humans in a new light. In addition to not being able to respond in a manner which suggests that he even remotely knows what he knows what I am talking about to two or three explanations of my words of caution about his use of data, when I explained again literally in words of no more than one syllable, he *still* failed to show that he had pick up on the fact that I was not suggesting a reason not to attack Iraq, but a reason to be wary of misuse of data he was brandishing.

He may be honestly incapable of understanding the meaning of sentences composed of monosyllabic words, or he may be deliberately trying to misinterpret or twist my words by applying them out of context and turn them into something they are not.

Judge for yourself which one is more likely.

NB: I have, for some weeks now, been deliberately trying to avoid actually making any constructive points agains Empr (there are enough people doing that), and intervening to correct people's mistakes. It has proven quite intuitive.

Though I am sure you will consider the opposite, I consider my resignation from discussing things with you a failure on your part. A failure to either admit that you cannot understand what people are talking about, or a failure to represent what they say in a manner in which resembles the meaning of the original form (for frankly, I know of 15-year olds who can translate Homeric Greek better than Empr can translate English).

I would also like to comment on Empr's efforts to mute his opposition. This starts with the ignoring of someone whose only real crime throughout his long time posting here at Fed2k is an unnecessary comparison of the US to the Third Reich. Empr was annoyed at his constnat attacks on Bush and his decisions, as he has said. Yet Empr is the one who is forever supporting Bush and his actions agains Iraq, bringing about the topics, in which he must expect to be opposed at some point, given that his statements are at best, contraversial. Then came the many locking of his own topics, often after a little deviation from topic, usually in areas where Empr ran into stony ground. Rather than asking participants to return to topic, he locked.

And then the little 'peace treaty' offered by Empr - that Nyar, whom you all know not to be of a nasty disposition, leave empr alone, and Empr would leave Nyar alone, after a thread in which Empr's contradicitons had been repeatedly pointed out, yet ignored by the would-be-seen-as-victim. Yet no mention of the contradicitons; it seems again that Empr doesn't want to receive opposition.

And of course, I and most of the rest of the Landsraad have suffered some rather nasty and unprovoked insults. Need I say more?

I am not intending to provide direct quotes; you all know that I do not lie. if any of you are curious, try reading some of Empr's debates (I advise not to do this too long, lest you too get frustrated).

I am sorry if this offends; it is not intended to, but instead show the error of Empr's ways, that he might have a chance at making up for his misconduct.

[Vanguard3000]

Your name is missing letters, and that disgusts me! Go to hell, you freak!

[Dunenewt]

Well Emprworm has never insulted me and i think his only *crime* is that he loves his country

[nemafakei]

I've just merged the two topics. [humour]No point in having too many topics about Empr, he might think he is popular... [/humour]

[Dunenewt]

lol the merging confused me

[Edric O]

Love of one's country is also what motivated Hitler, Mussolini, Mao...

Loving a country leads to genocide.

[Acriku]

The posts of both are put into one thread in order of time it was posted, earliest being first, latest being last. It's disorienting at first, but it catches on ;)

[emprworm]

Well Emprworm has never insulted me and i think his only *crime* is that he loves his country

here are my crimes (in my opinion of course):

#1. I support George W. Bush. I love the man. I find him honest, genuine, and real.

That is my opinion. One that is exceedingly unpopular in a forum filled with teenagers- especially European teenagers. Most people in here don't just dislike Bush. They Loathe bush. They utterly hate him so much they grind their teeth thinking about him. So it is no wonder that anyone in here who is pro-bush will come under blazing, intense fire. I expect that. I accept that.

#2. I am a Christian

I dont know how much this has to do with anything but I think that at times it comes into play in people's dislike of me.

#3. I challenge people to support what they say with evidence. THis annoys people greatly. Most especially young people- teenagers and young adults are not used to having their opinions called to the table all the time. They are more used to being the ones calling the shots- not taking orders from anyone.

#4. I have a very good command of the English language. When I was in college, I always preferred an essay test over multiple choice. In fact, in one class I had, we were given the option regarding our final exam: an essay test, or multiple choice. I chose the essay.

[Nyarlathotep]

Well Emprworm has never insulted me and i think his only *crime* is that he loves his country

Loving your country is no crime, and I doubt anyone has said that. Yet I fail to see the reason to start 3 threads about a country (by one person) and, as what it seems to me, start a rant just because they don't support your country the way your government would like to see it. I asked this question in one of Emp's thread and he advised me not to go off topic and create a new thread, which I did. Now that I did, he doesn't answer and asks for people to flame him here, while I asked people not to. And I'm the one with bad or no debating skills ? ;)

[nemafakei]

Edric, have a care not to go offtopic and turn this into a debate about patriotism.

Oh, and since the merge, Empr, do not try to lock the topic; let a mod do it when they feel it is necessary; half of it wasn't your topic.

[emprworm]

This post contains nothing but my judgement of Emp's conduct, based on the posts I have seen in his debates with myself and others. No anger and malevolence whatsoever; to the best of my knowledge, this post is all true, and I will be most insulted if I am told that this is a flame post. Emprworm, if you do not like people thinking what is contained here, you must either change your style of debating, or at least the way you come across. Because your conduct seems to be rather less than exemplary.

Do you deliberately set yourself up to infuriate people (through various means) to goad them into saying something you can point at and say "he's flaming me"? Or is this just the impression I get over and over again?

Empr has made me seen humans in a new light. In addition to not being able to respond in a manner which suggests that he even remotely knows what he knows what I am talking about to two or three explanations of my words of caution about his use of data, when I explained again literally in words of no more than one syllable, he *still* failed to show that he had pick up on the fact that I was not suggesting a reason not to attack Iraq, but a reason to be wary of misuse of data he was brandishing.

He may be honestly incapable of understanding the meaning of sentences composed of monosyllabic words, or he may be deliberately trying to misinterpret or twist my words by applying them out of context and turn them into something they are not.

Judge for yourself which one is more likely.

NB: I have, for some weeks now, been deliberately trying to avoid actually making any constructive points agains Empr (there are enough people doing that), and intervening to correct people's mistakes. It has proven quite intuitive.

Though I am sure you will consider the opposite, I consider my resignation from discussing things with you a failure on your part. A failure to either admit that you cannot understand what people are talking about, or a failure to represent what they say in a manner in which resembles the meaning of the original form (for frankly, I know of 15-year olds who can translate Homeric Greek better than Empr can translate English).

I would also like to comment on Empr's efforts to mute his opposition. This starts with the ignoring of someone whose only real crime throughout his long time posting here at Fed2k is an unnecessary comparison of the US to the Third Reich. Empr was annoyed at his constnat attacks on Bush and his decisions, as he has said. Yet Empr is the one who is forever supporting Bush and his actions agains Iraq, bringing about the topics, in which he must expect to be opposed at some point, given that his statements are at best, contraversial. Then came the many locking of his own topics, often after a little deviation from topic, usually in areas where Empr ran into stony ground. Rather than asking participants to return to topic, he locked.

And then the little 'peace treaty' offered by Empr - that Nyar, whom you all know not to be of a nasty disposition, leave empr alone, and Empr would leave Nyar alone, after a thread in which Empr's contradicitons had been repeatedly pointed out, yet ignored by the would-be-seen-as-victim. Yet no mention of the contradicitons; it seems again that Empr doesn't want to receive opposition.

And of course, I and most of the rest of the Landsraad have suffered some rather nasty and unprovoked insults. Need I say more?

I am not intending to provide direct quotes; you all know that I do not lie. if any of you are curious, try reading some of Empr's debates (I advise not to do this too long, lest you too get frustrated).

I am sorry if this offends; it is not intended to, but instead show the error of Empr's ways, that he might have a chance at making up for his misconduct.

thank you for that opinion. its nice to be able to freely express your views on other members of the community. it was well written, and not containing of flames.

[emprworm]

Edric, have a care not to go offtopic and turn this into a debate about patriotism.

Oh, and since the merge, Empr, do not try to lock the topic; let a mod do it when they feel it is necessary; half of it wasn't your topic.

lol! why would I lock it? I started it. lol. you all just keep bashing away. i want you to feel better, because it makes me feel better. my good friends here at Fed2k!!! :)

[Acriku]

#1 Your infatuation leads to blind following. This isn't romanticism, he isn't a perfect holy angel, he is human and makes mistakes (cough hash cough).

#2 No relevance.

#3 No idea who you are referring to, but I don't see a single person on here who doesn't want to support their claims with evidence, especially due to their "teen" problems. Edric and I are 17 and 16 respectively, we each bring as much evidence to the table as possible, so your view of teenagers is misguided.

#4 You might have a good way with writing things down, or typing them, but you seem to have a problem listening and reading what other people have to say, and actually read what they say not the method or grammar in which they use to write with.

[emprworm]

#1 Your infatuation leads to blind following. This isn't romanticism, he isn't a perfect holy angel, he is human and makes mistakes (cough hash cough).

#2 No relevance.

#3 No idea who you are referring to, but I don't see a single person on here who doesn't want to support their claims with evidence, especially due to their "teen" problems. Edric and I are 17 and 16 respectively, we each bring as much evidence to the table as possible, so your view of teenagers is misguided.

#4 You might have a good way with writing things down, or typing them, but you seem to have a problem listening and reading what other people have to say, and actually read what they say not the method or grammar in which they use to write with.

:)

[nemafakei]

"thank you for that opinion"

Ah, but are you going to take it to heart.

Note also the difference between opinion and judgement. My opinion is that I don't particularly like you. My judgement is that you cause almost all the trouble you end up with here. Judgements are logical conclusions based on fact.

"lol! why would I lock it? I started it."

Need I really mention the other threads you started and locked?

Oh, and by the way (I'm not implying anyone's done this), even though Empr started it, no flaming, please. Just in case people forget...

[Edric O]

In other words, Emprworm:

#1. You support a man who is nearly illiterate, got into office without the support of the majority of his country's population, and who is a right-wing bigot trying to abolish as many democratic freedoms as possible and impose American hegemony on the entire world.

#2. You are a Christian. (nothing to add here)

#3. You twist people's words, put words in their mouth, ignore their good arguments and focus on the bad ones, make flawed exagerations to put your oppenents in a bad light, and overall use every possible means to silence the opposition.

#4. You have a superiority complex.

[emprworm]

"thank you for that opinion"

Ah, but are you going to take it to heart.

Note also the difference between opinion and judgement. My opinion is that I don't particularly like you. My judgement is that you cause almost all the trouble you end up with here. Judgements are logical conclusions based on fact.

"lol! why would I lock it? I started it."

Need I really mention the other threads you started and locked?

i locked the other threads because they went off topic. or did you not notice that?

well its hardly likely I'm going to lock this thread *checks to see what the topic of it was*

[nemafakei]

And the still unanswered question... (perhaps my mistake for missing off the q.mark)

"Ah, but are you going to take it to heart."

Well, are you?

Will you act on my advice? Or that of anyone else who has posted here?

[Gobalopper]

I wonder if I should sticky this thread... :)

[nemafakei]

I doubt it'll need it.

[Nyarlathotep]

#3. I challenge people to support what they say with evidence. THis annoys people greatly. Most especially young people- teenagers and young adults are not used to having their opinions called to the table all the time. They are more used to being the ones calling the shots- not taking orders from anyone.

When ever you asked me to proof anything I did. Yet you fail to accept anything I say or bring on. Since recent you start avoiding my questions. And don't get me started on you proving all that you state, cause you don't LOL. It's not me who's not used to have my opinion called to the table, it's you actually and obviously annoys you more then it does anyone else. Please stop blaming others of things you do yourself as well, thank you :)

[Edric O]

I support George W. Bush. I love the man.

That explains a lot. It's good that you decided to stop hiding your true feelings. I'm sure you found this to be highly liberating. There's no reason to feel ashamed, there's nothing wrong with it.

[Acriku]

Oh lookie, emprworm spammed the thread with a smilie, never replying to my post. Further making Nema's post to the point.

[emprworm]

"thank you for that opinion"

Ah, but are you going to take it to heart.

lets see...you want to know if I take it to heart. Sure I do.

"I consider my resignation from discussing things with you a failure on your part."

Yes, I truly belive you when you say its all my faul that you resign to discuss with me. And you are correct!! THe only reason why someone would stop talking to someone else is because they did something that person didn't like. Why would you stop talking to me over something YOU did? that doesn't make sense. This is why I quit talking to Edric. He did something I didn't like so like you, I resign to talk to him due to a failure on his part. Of course, failure here is subjectively defined as "failed to meet my personal criteria for mutual discussion"

I failed to meet your personal criteria for mutual discussion. I understand this, and I sincerely respect your wishes here.

" either A failure to either admit that you cannot understand what people are talking about, or a failure to represent what they say in a manner in which resembles the meaning of the original form "

This is an "either or" fallacy, also called the fallacy of the excluded middle. You are stipulating 2 possibilities when there could be a third. Of course, has it ever occured to you what I am really thinking....or just what you think I am thinking?

"(for frankly, I know of 15-year olds who can translate Homeric Greek better than Empr can translate English)."

Who? Can you please name some? Or maybe you accidentally got a bit personal there. Its ok, I understand.

"My judgement is that you cause almost all the trouble you end up with here."

I sincerely believe you here. I know that you conclude I am the cause of the trouble. My conclusion is that things you define as "trouble" is simply people getting angry because I am in support of United States of America and President George Bush. In fact just the phrase "in support of United States of America and President George Bush" is enough in and of itself to lead someone to conclude I am stirring up trouble. That is a sad thing, don't you think? It is sad that just saying

in support of United States of America and President George Bush.

is the equivalent of causing trouble. Yet that is the truth. I see it that way, and I do not know how any reasonable person looking INTO THIS FORUM FROM THE OUTSIDE would conclude differently. Posting the statement in support of United States of America and President George Bush. is a pot-stirring, trouble making statement on this forum. Do you agree that such a statement will reap mass emotional responses? If that makes me a trouble maker because I post statements that are pro-america and pro-Bush, well I am not surprised. After all, I am in a forum with many anti-Bush, anti-America posters.

"My opinion is that I don't particularly like you"

I take this to heart. I truly believe you don't like me. Sorry to hear that. I do not dislike anyone here. Including you. Actually I like you even after you say that. Even Edric. Whether you believe me or not is up to you.

"Empr has made me seen humans in a new light"

That not everyone is going to conform to your personal requirements for mutual discussion?

Obviously I do not conform to your requirements. However you conform to my requirements. I will still discuss with you, with nyar, with Acriku and anyone else who doesn't like me.

Edric is the only one I do not discuss with for reasons I made openly honest to everyone....that may change, I do not know yet, but we'll see.

Well, Nema, since this is the last you will be discussing with me, I wanted to say my opinion of you:

You are an intelligent person. You have a unique ability to be objective. You have fine debating skills and excellent use of English. I have enjoyed our discussions and I wish you the best in life.