You can't say you didn't see this coming...

[Acriku]

Namp I meant patriotism, not nationalism. I would rather see nationalism gone than patriotism. And if I came to America illegally I would expect to be detained! Don't do the crime if you can't pay the time.

[ordos45]

Really Acriku? I thought we gave them jobs at the White House for coming over illegally. You know, the guy the INS has been looking for for two years that they finally detained. Has pics posing with Former President Clinton as well as Dick and Lynn Cheney. (Congratulations INS, you let an illegal immigrant work at the White House while you looked for him)

[Anathema]

Namp I meant patriotism, not nationalism. I would rather see nationalism gone than patriotism. And if I came to America illegally I would expect to be detained! Don't do the crime if you can't pay the time.

Non muslims were not detained.

[nampigai]

I'm sorry Acriku, I may have rushed it a bit I didn't see they were illegal immegrants. My bad :P

[emprworm]

Non muslims were not detained.

i think what you meant to say was "non-illegal immigrants were not detained."

[emprworm]

you list the bad but fail to point out the good

Yeah, you're right, I should also list the good side of nationalism. Let's see:

1. Well, uh... ummm... errr...

Hey, wait a minute, there is no good side!

Edric, please point out my moral error here. I am truly trying to understand you in this regard:

I did not choose the place I was born. I was born in the United States. I grew up living in a place that did not impose belief upon me. I freely chose, one day, to believe in Jesus, the Son of God. That was of my own free will. I learned that my nation protected that choice I made. I learned that the nation in which I lived valued my right to freely choose my belief, and protected my right to speak it. I learned that other human beings from all over the world have sought refuge in my land because in their native home, that right was not granted to them. I learned that the simple act of choosing to believe (or not to believe) in a religion and the freedom to talk about it- something so seemingly harmless and innocent - is in fact priceless. It is a freedom that many millions of people do not have. I can get up sunday morning, and walk into a church in the middle of the city in broad daylight and listen to a preacher speak about the Bible. I realized that there are many people in this world that cannot do this without putting their lives in grave danger. Because of this, I am thankful to God that I live in a nation that protects this freedom I have.

Where did I go wrong, here, Edric?

[Anathema]

Non muslims were not detained.

i think what you meant to say was "non-illegal immigrants were not detained."

So all non-illegal immigrants are muslims? Come on.

[emprworm]

huh? Thats not what I said.

[Acriku]

He meant all that were detained were illegal immigrants.

[Anathema]

But only the muslims among the illegal immigrants were detained.

[Edric O]

[...] I realized that there are many people in this world that cannot do this without putting their lives in grave danger. Because of this, I am thankful to God that I live in a nation that protects this freedom I have.

Nothing wrong with that logic. But then again, that's not nationalism. Nationalism means being proud of your nation and, most importantly, always putting your nation above others, as if its members were somehow "better" than other humans. THAT is what I despise.

[Gobalopper]

Being proud of your country and thinking you are somehow better then other humans because of that are two different things if you ask me. I'm proud I live in Canada but that doesn't mean I think all other countries are worse because of that. Sure there are countries I wouldn't want to live in and Canada is better then but that has nothing to do with nationalism.

[zamboe]

What's funny is that the word "proud" comes only when the subjects in discussion are those so called actual rights of freedom. What they always avoid but all the world remember is what freedom meant in the US 50 years ago deep in the southern states....... and they called it freedom. In the US freedom has skin color, they just don't accept it, but practice it. Such a hiprocesia.

[Acriku]

When a country feels its military is better than everybody elses, that isn not nationalism, that may just be the truth. But when a nation thinks solely of itself, and only conscerns matters that involve itself, that's when it becomes nationalism. When you compare the UK to let's say, a backwards country with rebels running about with AKs holding hostages, and shooting people left and right, I would say UK is better. It is superior to that backwards country. This isn't Nationalism, as I am not part of the UK, so you see this is not only the case.