OK, so who of you are there?

[emprworm]

sneezer, you dont really watch what you say very well about the Word of God. The NAS was translated over several years by the worlds foremost scholars of Greek and Hebrew. It is used by millions of Christians, and you are saying they all have a demonic Bible? What kind of rediculous judging is that?

[sneezer3]

sneezer, you dont really watch what you say very well about the Word of God. The NAS was translated over several years by the worlds foremost scholars of Greek and Hebrew. It is used by millions of Christians, and you are saying they all have a demonic Bible? What kind of rediculous judging is that?

I was talking about bad words in that post. And i watch what i say regarding that.

And i never said they have a demonic bible. i have no idea where you got that idea. or why you keep bringing it up.

And all i think about them is. there misguided.

IF i showed you some errors in the NAS that indeed look for sure ERRORS Like dening the vergin birth etc. Would you listin?

And why not changeing the bible applyes to the KJV and not other bibles. is its Gods perserverd word. and its the best translation. However i don't know the greek and hebrew. but i have heard of a lot of so called "Errors" in the KJV that most of all are just takeing it out of context. Did you ever notice the KJV wasn't copyrighted?

[emprworm]

if you showed me errors, yes. but you have not done so yet. show me an error in the NAS. All you did last time was try and tell me that the greek word pisteuvw means "believeth" and that translating pisteuvw as "believe" is an error! LOL

cmon sneezer, dont waste my time with more garbage like that. If you are going to show an error in the NAS, you better make it a real one. I have a Greek and Hebrew lexicon at my disposal, so you can better believe I will be verifying your attempts.

And, btw, calling millions of Christians "misguided" is judging them far worse than anything anyone said about J Chick. Calling a believer "misguided" is a very very serious accusation. This is a narrow path we walk and being "misguided" can mean the difference in life or death.

[emprworm]

Did you ever notice the KJV wasn't copyrighted?

uhhh, because it was written in 1611? lol. Shakespeare isnt copyrighted. Plato isnt copyrigthed. Does that make their writings somehow "holy?" I really dont know what your point is there, Sneezer.

[sneezer3]

if you showed me errors, yes. but you have not done so yet. show me an error in the NAS. All you did last time was try and tell me that the greek word pisteuvw means "believeth" and that translating pisteuvw as "believe" is an error! LOL

cmon sneezer, dont waste my time with more garbage like that. If you are going to show an error in the NAS, you better make it a real one. I have a Greek and Hebrew lexicon at my disposal, so you can better believe I will be verifying your attempts.

And, btw, calling millions of Christians "misguided" is judging them far worse than anything anyone said about J Chick. Calling a believer "misguided" is a very very serious accusation. This is a narrow path we walk and being "misguided" can mean the difference in life or death.

Don't worry it won't be another half witted attempt. and it will be soon.

And yes i think there wrong and misguided. And i don't think you know how bad people hate Jack Chick for giveing them the truth. if you really wanna know then go to www.google.com do a search type up "Jack Chick" And go over some sites and you'l see how bad people hate him. They call him all kinds of nasty names.

And if your useing a progeram to find out. i'd like to know what your useing. but if you know it then well. you got an atvantege i don't.

But i'm going to go ahead and tell you up front I belive God inspired his word. i belive he perserverd it. I belive its infalable.

[sneezer3]

uhhh, because it was written in 1611? lol. Shakespeare isnt copyrighted. Plato isnt copyrigthed. Does that make their writings somehow "holy?" I really dont know what your point is there, Sneezer.

Well. First off Holy means Godly not some twisted up priest with his hand in a postion like he's praying and a cross neckless and candles burning everwhere.

Second. my point was God din't want it copyrighted. If it was there wouldn't be any ASV NAS etc. But he din't want his word to be copyrighted. But he put a warning not to change it. and that is exactly what these new bibles are doing. Theres a lot of bamboozleing going on in the 20th Centry.

[emprworm]

And yes i think there wrong and misguided.

because you judge millions of other Christians (including me) who use the NAS, I quote your own words:

I don't judge people i am not God. But i was going by 1 John 1:6 and Matthew 12:36 You'l give an account for everthing you say. and unforituntly what you said about Jack Chick to.

Edric may give account for things said about Jack Chick, but sneezer will give account for things said about millions of believers. Sneezer will give account for judging their relationship with God and calling them "misguided".

the saddest thing is that you judge millions of Christians and have NOTHING to substantiate your rediculous and offensive claims that the NAS is demonized. You still haven't cited anything wrong about it, yet you still call it misguided. I am seriously beginning to believe you are brainwashed. I am convinced you have a problem with this. It is utter nonsense that you judge so harshly and have NOTHING TO PROVE IT. This is an affront to all that you should stand for. Disgusting. And sad. You have my prayers, sneezer. What makes it all the worse is that the majority of people in here dont believe at all, and what kind of portrait of your faith are you giving them? Judging millions of Christians, casting down the Bible and elevating J Chick as if he is some apostle. This is a very bizzare portrayal you are painting of Christianity, sneezer. I seriously doubt anyone in here will be converted as a result of reading the nonsense in this thread. People dont speak in King James, they dont read in King James, they don't understand it. It is your responsibility to speak to them in language THEY (not you) understand. Unless you can do this, your Christian life is futile. Might as well live in a cave. Since the majority of people in this world dont speak, read or understand King James, I translate it for them into English, so that they can understand. This is your job, sneezer. UNless you are willing to do this, you will suffer from futility.

if you really wanna know then go to www.google.com do a search type up "Jack Chick" And go over some sites and you'l see how bad people hate him.

i never said I hated Jack Chick. I dont mind Mr. Chick. You, on the other hand, seem to idolize him and everything he says. And I think J. Chick would not approve of your unyielding loyalty to his every word. Furthermore, do a search on "Joseph Smith"- the founder of Mormonism. You will see how bad people hate him. They call him all kinds of nasty names.

Does that make him right?

and that is exactly what these new bibles are doing, But he put a warning not to change it.

you sound just like an Atheist. Goodness, sneezer, your arguments are getting worse all the time. I have debated atheists for almost 10 years now, and this is one of their most common arguments- that the Bible changes. It is an extremely weak argument. The Bible is a translation of UNCHANING manuscripts. There is nothing at all changing in the BIble. Dont make arguments that spawn from atheists, sneezer.

But i'm going to go ahead and tell you up front I belive God inspired his word. i belive he perserverd it. I belive its infalable.

it is preserved in nearly 30,000 surviving Hebrew and Greek manuscripts which fully exist today and are UNCHANGED and available for all. It does NOT exist in some human translation, which is fallabile (yet still reliable)

[emprworm]

almost forgot to mention: the American Standard Bible is not copyrighted and is public domain

[emprworm]

oh and one more thing, sneezer. I will now show you the superior version of the New Testament. The true, one and only unchanging version that surpasses all translations (including the King James).

this is the ultimate standard- the one upon which even the King James must submit to.

http://www-users.cs.york.ac.uk/~fisher/gnt/chapters.html

and when you finally tell me how I am misguided for the NAS, I will check you using the version I linked above.

[The_Sadukar]

Man, this is so fun to read it all.

[Anathema]

Fun?

What I wonder is if the KJV has any errors that actually change the meaning. If it translates that sheep were blue in the past, but that they were in fact red, nobody wil care (silly example, I know). But are there any major errors?

[Caid Ivik]

Why you all seek for "errors"? It is always translated by humans, errors are humanic. But at least you all found the sense of Advent. What is better than joint reading of Bible? You all are on good way. Now, merry Christmas! Jesus is coming!

[Edric O]

This isn't funny, Sard, it's sad. :-

Edric, you need to do more than just attack the Biblical precedent that one cannot lose eternal life. You need to explicitly show how such a thing could be possible. THink about what you are saying: A human being with eternal life stops living. The very notion that one can lose their eternal life is logically flawed, let alone found absolutely nowhere in the Bible.

Emprworm, you didn't pay attention to what I said. Of course you can't lose eternal life once you receive it. Of course a person with eternal life can't die.

But what I said was that you don't receive eternal life in the first place until you die. Only after the end of a life lived in the name of Christ does one receive eternal life!

[emprworm]

i dont think the KJV has any major errors. The problem with it is that it is written in a language that I do not speak or read or understand. This is the case for many people. It is a different language. Reading the KJV is kind of like reading an Egyptian Heiroglyphic. You walk away having no idea what you just read. And without understanding, this makes the Bible meaningless. The part I am arguing with sneezer is his offensive and blatant, wanton demonization of my translation that I read and understand (NAS). He casts judgment on me and millions of others, who otherwise would have little understanding of the Bible if it weren't for the magificient and accurately translated NAS. I dont like it when people like sneezer insult the things I hold valuable. What does sneezer know about the NAS? I asked him repeatedly to show me the errors in translation, yet I get nothing. He says I am misguided. Well, I petition sneezer to show me what belief I am "misguided" about? What exactly has sneezer LEARNED from his KJV that I have not learned from my NAS? LOL, like he is going to know that. Therefore he has no right...no right at all...to call me misguided. I dont like that. In all this time, I never once called J Chick misguided. I dont know J Chick. But if J Chick would say to me the rediculous things sneezer is saying to me, then I would have the exact same argument with him as well.

[emprworm]

But what I said was that you don't receive eternal life in the first place until you die. Only after the end of a life lived in the name of Christ does one receive eternal life!

I finally see your argument now, Edric. I have wondered this before as well, and many times I have thought the exact same thing. WHEN do you receive eternal life? Upon saving faith, or upon death? I do not know.

[Edric O]

Yes, none of us do...

But I believe that receiving eternal life upon death is the most logical answer. While you are alive, you can always change your mind...

[emprworm]

the bible does say that "he who preserves to the end will be saved" - Matt 10:22. This particular verse is the Biblical evidence that salvation might not come until death. However, what this means is that those who "change their mind" were never genuine to begin with. Only those who perservere were true believers anyway.

Question to all professing Christians: How do you know if you are a true believer?

Answer: Your faith will perservere until the end.

Condition: If you lose faith, then you were never a true believer to begin with.

[sneezer3]

i'l reply to the other stuff in a second. mean time errors in the NAS

Revelation 20:14

Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire

I don't think most people even know what "Hades" means.

It denies the virgin birth in Luke 2:33

Look up 1 John 5:7

"For there are three that bear the record in heaven the Father the Word and the holy ghost and these three are one."<KJV>

<NASB>" For there are three that testify."

Now according to your bible those three aren't one. they are all diffrant and they all testify and they don't bear the Record according to the verse in your bible.

[sneezer3]

"People dont speak in King James, they dont read in King James, they don't understand it. It is your responsibility to speak to them in language THEY (not you) understand. Unless you can do this, your Christian life is futile. Might as well live in a cave. Since the majority of people in this world dont speak, read or understand King James, I translate it for them into English, so that they can understand. This is your job, sneezer. UNless you are willing to do this, you will suffer from futility."

You act like there is a language called "King James" It is Englesh and understandable with little effort. I think we should Translate it has much has possable to other people to understand in there language.

"you sound just like an Atheist. Goodness, sneezer, your arguments are getting worse all the time. I have debated atheists for almost 10 years now, and this is one of their most common arguments- that the Bible changes. It is an extremely weak argument. The Bible is a translation of UNCHANING manuscripts. There is nothing at all changing in the BIble. Dont make arguments that spawn from atheists, sneezer."

I was talking about other bible versions.

"Edric may give account for things said about Jack Chick, but sneezer will give account for things said about millions of believers. Sneezer will give account for judging their relationship with God and calling them "misguided"."

Yet again you are puting words in my mouth.

I think other bible versions are wrong. and misguided. i don't judge people that use them relationship with God. Some could have a better relationship with God the i.

"that exactly has sneezer LEARNED from his KJV that I have not learned from my NAS? LOL, like he is going to know that. Therefore he has no right...no right at all...to call me misguided. I dont like that. In all this time, I never once called J Chick misguided. I dont know J Chick. But if J Chick would say to me the rediculous things sneezer is saying to me, then I would have the exact same argument with him as well. "

Yeah but he'd explan it way better then i could. and you'd have to spend way more time then i am trying to defend your version of the bible.

"the saddest thing is that you judge millions of Christians and have NOTHING to substantiate your rediculous and offensive claims that the NAS is demonized. You still haven't cited anything wrong about it, yet you still call it misguided. I am seriously beginning to believe you are brainwashed. I am convinced you have a problem with this. It is utter nonsense that you judge so harshly and have NOTHING TO PROVE IT. This is an affront to all that you should stand for. Disgusting. And sad. You have my prayers, sneezer. What makes it all the worse is that the majority of people in here dont believe at all, and what kind of portrait of your faith are you giving them? Judging millions of Christians, casting down the Bible and elevating J Chick as if he is some apostle. This is a very bizzare portrayal you are painting of Christianity, sneezer. I seriously doubt anyone in here will be converted as a result of reading the nonsense in this thread."

Actully i have heard of of errors in ever other bible <Includeing yours>. and i'm not good at finding some that is simply all there is to it. And i never said it was demonized.

And yes. some people might not. This is why i said i wish i could talk about this more privetly

[emprworm]

" think other bible versions are wrong. and misguided. i"

and that is the problem I have with you sneezer. YOu think my version is misguided? I guarantee you there is nothing...absolutely nothing...you could learn in the KJV that I cannot learn in the NAS! If you think otherwise, then prove it or drop it. unless you bring some proof to the table, I would politely request you drop your relentless squablling on this issue. I have grown weary of listening to your repeated, endless cut-downs and judment-casting without evidence. No more, sneezer. Ok? Please, for the love of all that is right and good in this world.... NO MORE!

thanks

[emprworm]

From: THE KING JAMES LEXICON (lol, I'm even using a King James version):

Rev 20:14

a/&dh

[Caid Ivik]

KJV has:

"And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death." - Rev 20,14

As Jews believe (and we too), the dead came before Messiah all into sheol, or "death", what it means here. Today it is a "cleansing area", where most people are waiting for redemption because all are sinful. "Cleaned" souls then go into the Heaven. Most sinful were (and are being) thrown into hades or "hell", the empire of the Satan. These are doomed forever. On the last day, the sheol will be opened and finally judged. Those "good" will be sent into the Heaven, remained will be destroyed forever with the hell.

About Jesus' family, he was calling his apostles "brothers" too, he called with this word all his followers! Joseph was his adoptive, not genetical father. Adoptive, but still father.

[sneezer3]

Since you don't won't me to say anything i won't. otherwise i'd Comment on what you said.

but we can always talk over IM or yahoo messanger if you want.

Just wanna clear what i belive up.

-I do not paint Jack Chick has as some sort of apostle. He is just another fallen mortal being that was saved by grace. However i don't disagree with him on anything has far has i have seen.

-I belive God perserverd his word in englesh as well has all of the others. However. Saten has added/taken away stuff out of other versions. Thats exactly why its the only source i trust. I belive Gods good enough to perserve his word IN ENGLESH readable and understandable. with a little effort. tere is a reason for the wording thats in there.

-Mary Christmas!

[Acriku]

Mary Christmas as in Hail Mary kind of Christmas? I'm confused.

[Caid Ivik]

He ment Merry Christmas

Me too, for you all! :D