The troubles of democracy

[emprworm]

there is no mandate to exterminate palestinians. if there was, then i would be for interferrence. however, there does seem to be a mandate in the islamic world to exterminate Jews. And there is no doubt they would do so if given the opportunity. so I would take your very same argument and turn it around on you 180

[Anathema]

The Palestinians are different people then the muslims from neighbouring countries (Americans are different from Germans). The israelians are trying to bully the Palestinians away from their homes. cough cough etnical cleansing cough cough.

[VigilVirus]

Let's see... The land belonged to Palestine before the british came and gave it to jews. You see the problem here? Jews really had no right to that land - who cares what was 2000 years ago?

I believe that establishing Israel on the territory of Palestine is a major mistake of 20th century. If Israel wasn't established there would be no conflict today.

[Acriku]

False vigil. We have no idea what may happen in the course of a century. Anything can happen. The establishment of Israel was for the better, if you don't agree then imagine what Palestines would do, or wouldn't do for that matter, on their land? They certainly aren't going to establish a society like the one in Israel today, in fact it will be just a rundown third world country. But that's IMO.

[TMA_1]

wither or not it is wrong isnt the issue. It is established and nothing can change the past. Stop judging the past and focus on judging the present. Right now the israelis are a sovergn nation and its just the way it is.

[VigilVirus]

We must judge the mistakes of the past so that we don't make them again. One who does not know history always repeats it. Any mistake can be corrected, while not in the past, but in the present.

[TMA_1]

there is a difference between evaluating the past and judging it. Judging causes more harm than good in the fact that emotionalism leads to overdoing a problem. Just because something may seem to be harsh to you doesnt mean its wrong. its just your opinon on how yo ulived your life.

[Caid Ivik]

"Judge not, that ye be not judged." - Mt 7,1 ;)

Emp, suppose, Germany starts exterminating jews. Since the jews aren't strong enough they loose, and therefore have no rights, and certainly not the right to whine. Suddenly the US comes along and pounds Germany into the ground.

Comment?

Actually they haven't "came and pound them". Germany was quickly losing to USSR, what could cause communisation of WHOLE Europe, so they came de facto to capture as much land as they can.

[Anathema]

True, but that's not the point. The fact is that they interfered, though it didn't really concern them according to Emps statements.

[Caid Ivik]

You have wanted a comment ;)

Read Quran, islamic annex to the Bible. You will see how humane are palestinian tryings. Jews are for him a "fallen nation". It was written in Bible too, especially in prophecies, but there were prophecies also about their turning back to God's will. Muhammad eliminated love for the others - he brought back egoism and the boxing (I don't know if you understand this word, but it's about strict dividing people to large groups for i.e.their believe), which spawned Pharisees and other such sects.

[SurlyPIG]

Let's see... The land belonged to Palestine before the british came and gave it to jews. You see the problem here? Jews really had no right to that land - who cares what was 2000 years ago?

I believe that establishing Israel on the territory of Palestine is a major mistake of 20th century. If Israel wasn't established there would be no conflict today.

There is conflict ANYWHERE there are muslims and people of other religion living near to or with each other.

The Jews were quite passive in WWI. Hitler blamed them for Germany's defeat, and then look what happened in WWII. The most disgusting human slaughter we know of. They were peacefull passive, and they were walked over by pure evil. Nowadays, you will find no democratic nation as stubborn as Israel. Remember the olympic Palestinian attacks? 9 Israeli athletes were killed in, Russia, I think it was. Over 15 years, Israel hunted down and killed the ones who were responsible.

Don't buy into that "poor little guy" crap that the Palistinians are always spewing. It is trajic when innocents (and I use the word loosely) are killed, but it's nothing compared to purposely blowing up masses of Jews just because they're different.

[VigilVirus]

That was most unfortunate, yes, but it doesn't mean that they deserve special treatment. Do you seriously believe that jews were the only ethnic group ever persecuted against??? The why do we only see the jews getting something for the mistakes of the past?

And also - they were given something at the expense of the palestinians.

[Acriku]

Would you give an orange to one group knowing they would throw it at someone against their religion, or give it to another group who would share it among everyone, and plant many orange trees?

[SurlyPIG]

That was most unfortunate, yes, but it doesn't mean that they deserve special treatment. Do you seriously believe that jews were the only ethnic group ever persecuted against??? The why do we only see the jews getting something for the mistakes of the past?

And also - they were given something at the expense of the palestinians.

Were the Palistinians forced out of Israel? Were they killed, forced to convert, or forced to give up their culture and values? Nope. From day 1 they have been allowed to live there peacefully. Acriku's metaphor is a great example.

Perhaps you don't realise exactly how bad the Jewish situation was after world war two. They had nowhere to turn, and they, understandably, didn't trust anyone. They needed a center. They needed a place to call their own, not just some place where they were shoved in a corner like in Europe, or forced to live like some caged animal as they were in the Islamic world along with Christians until European intervention.

[lowzeewee]

right now israel controls palistine and I am glad.lol

If German Nazis conquered europe again.will u be happy?lol

[TMA_1]

It is quite silly to compare the Nazi party of germany to the Israelis. Quite silly indeed.

[Caid Ivik]

Nazists were "experts" in genocide, and their former target, Jews, should need their experience in dealing with Palestinians. But to say it truly - not every Palestinian is a terrorist. And even Sharon knows it. Jews must eliminate all leaders of organisations like Al-Aksa, Hamas or Fatah and censure their propaganda. Only by this way can be Israel finally at peace.