Why?

[Emperor Harkonnen]

In the last mission(I play as Harkonnen) with the emperor worm, why does Atreides and Ordos suport the guild and tleilaxu?

and why does not the Harkonnens use all their troops to stop the worm??

[Navaros]

because Emperor is half-baked and was rushed out the door before it was complete.

[DukeLeto]

Ahem, Nav, be at least somewhat helpful.

Though frankly, I'm not dure. ::)

[Edric O]

Apparently, nobody in here payed any attention to the storyline! >:(

The enemy Houses (Atreides and Ordos in your case) don't support the Guild at all. But their troops on Arrakis have been brainwashed and all their vehicles and bases captured.

You don't use your entire army to stop the Guild because you don't HAVE your entire army. Only a small fraction of it managed to get back to Arrakis in that Smuggler ship. The rest are either stuck on the enemy homeworld (the one you just conquered) or on your own homeworld, because the Guild won't transport them anywhere.

[Emperor Harkonnen]

Thanks for clearing that up Edric ;)

I thought that all the troops were transported in that smugglership.

but brainwashed, I didn't think Yuri would ally with the Guild. They're not evil enough. No he would fit better with my house, HOUSE HARKONNEN! ;D

[Edric O]

I think it was something about a neurotoxic gas used for brainwashing... apparently the Ordos are not the only ones buying Deviator gas.

[nemafakei]

Not deviator gas, but a psychotropic drug (presumably made by the Tleilaxu themselves) put into the food and water of the forces on Arrakis.

[Anathema]

"the food and water supplies have been tainted with a mind altering drug, turning them all into mindless warrior slaves."

Furthermore, the storyline is crap. The concept of an Emperor worm is stupid (and ripped from God Emperor of Dune), and since when do the Guild practice warfare? And since when are the Atreides wealthy enough to buy such a large army (not earned by selling pundi-rice, that's for sure) and what the hell happened to the characters from the book (Duke Leto, Vladimir Harkonnen etc)?

[nemafakei]

"what the hell happened to the characters from the book"

Copyright, I expect.

"And since when are the Atreides wealthy enough"

CHOAM, position on Arrakis, doing spice harvesting, financial support from allies...

"The concept of an Emperor worm is stupid (and ripped from God Emperor of Dune)"

Pretty much a contradiction, unless you imply FH was an idiot.

"since when do the Guild practice warfare"

Since they found a way they could overcome a nexus - the inevitability of a nexus was what stopped them taking arrakis in the books... and if you listen to the plot, you discover that the Emp worm can see past the nexus.

"Furthermore, the storyline is crap"

It's hardly brilliant, but it's not atrocious, either.

[Emperor Harkonnen]

But I thought that the mindless warrior slaves were contaminated by the contaminator virus.. ???

And that means that they would have to become a contaminator, but there are snipers and stuff..

[Edric O]

Mindless warrior slaves, not contaminated slaves...

And the psychotropic drug is NOT the same as the contaminator virus, obviously. One is a drug, the other is a virus.

[GhostHunter]

"And since when are the Atreides wealthy enough"

CHOAM, position on Arrakis, doing spice harvesting, financial support from allies...

Doubt it, Atreides never really had a good CHOAM ditactorship, and no allies, remmeber the line the Duke Leto said in one of the books " Many Great Houses Want To Be Our Allys, But None Want To Help Us In Any Way " Or something like that. Until next post, Vilgent.

[Anathema]

I didn't mean FH was an idiot. The Emperorworm is clearly a rip off from Leto II, and a bad one. That's what I meant.

Also, it was indeed mentioned in the first book that every house promised friendship and support to Leto but nobody offered actual support. Atreides receiving so much cash from their allies seems far fetched, and I don't believe they had many CHOAM stocks at that time (correct me if I'm wrong). Harkonnen on the other hand, has enough money to buy enough troops to overwelm the Atreides.

[Anathema]

.....forgot, the storyline isn't atrocious, but WW at least could have attemted to make a different one for each of the houses.

[GhostHunter]

Harkonnen on the other hand, has enough money to buy enough troops to overwelm the Atreides.

Yes but the way the Atreides faught compared to the Harkonnen. Like one Atreides man could take on like 5 Harkonnens by her/himself before him/her would die. Just like in House Corrino, The Sardaukar I dont think appreciated the Atreides being there ;D. Until next post, Vilgent.

[Emperor Harkonnen]

But what do the harkonnens earn money on, except for spice? Industy?

And 1 atreides soldier can't take out 5 harkonnens.

The harkonnen flame thrower can take out at least 5 atreides soldiers.

[d3m0nger]

ooh yes he can 1 atreides sniper can pop like 10 flame units if u use it right

[GhostHunter]

I'm talking bout the book here all. The Atreides were much more loyal, well trained and honest to House Atreides. As the Harkonnens would kill their higher ranked leaders to get that posistion, constantly were drunk and not paying attention, and could be bought. Until next post, Vilgent.

[Emperor Harkonnen]

SUre that stupid sniper can do that, but the harkonnens get help from sardaukar and a sardaukar can easily kill a sniper

and Vilgent, in which book did you read that?

[nemafakei]

This is deduction...

Leto's army was feared because it rivalled the sardaukar. One sardaukar can take on 10 landsraad conscripts (that'ts in the books for sure). Therefore one Atreides can take on at least 5 Harkonnens.

"I don't believe they had many CHOAM stocks at that time"

This was not explicit. However, the Baron Harkonnen had many, and Leto was a duke - one of the highest ranked nobles except for the emperor and his immediate relations (a baron being about the lowest House Major rank), so his holdings would not be insignificant.

The atreides were never a rich house, but their planet was fertile, their population therefore many and well fed. They were loyal to the duke, and so the duke would be able to raise a fairly good army.

[Anathema]

Sure, you'd have plenty of men, but the Guild charges extreme prices for troop transport.

I'm not exactly sure what the biggest differences between the title baron and duke are, but it is written that the Harkonnen had several planets and the Atreides had only one.

[GhostHunter]

And how would the Atreides get more planets? Buy'em....NO........Take'em over for no reason....Come on we all know the Atreides. And besides Caladan is a lot more well put together then any Harkonnen planet will ever be. Until next post, Vilgent.

[Timenn]

That's true. The Harkonnen have wasted the most part of Giedi Prime, and so shall it be with their other planets. While the Atreides have whole Caladan

[IxianMace]

Well yes, there was the part at the start of the game where the Duke agreed to abide by the rules of the Great Convention when the council was taking place. It said that the war would be "limited to the planet Arrakis". However, part of the Duke's conquest of Arrakis lies in the capture/destruction of an enemy homeworld!! ::)

So much for limiting the war to Arrakis.

[Emperor Harkonnen]

Please we need more Harkonnens here, there are just Atreides supporters here. :'(

the harkonnens has got the planet lankiveil, giedi prime and arrakis. that's all their planets I know about

and giedi prime has always been like it is. it ain't the harkonnens who destroyed it, it is just that it is too close to the sun, I think. It is almost not inhabitable.