Blind Loyalty?

[nampigai]

well noone would have allowed that, that would have unleashed 3 WW, IMO Bush lives on 11-9

[gryphon]

IMO Bush lives on 11-9

So he did have some good points ;)

Sometimes, when it's verry late and I'm alone looking at two computer screens that are showing ever-scolling-data I'm wondering, a connection between Nostradamus [ I know, it's rediculous ]. The prediction of a world war, started in the Middle East, a "Holy war". In the beginning of this millenia. Then my "educated" parts say's "No, think rationally !".

But still .. . . who am I to diside what's rationality .. .. .?

[ and yes, I know any prediction can and will come true in the mind of the believer. ]

[nampigai]

don't think of such things it can drive you  mad ;)

[gryphon]

It CAN drive me mad ?!

You mean like, even more ?

;D

Madness, madness to one is mearly genious to another . . . . .

;)

[Acriku]

I wouldnt' be surprised if Bush was told what to do for everything. But why are you bashing America because it sometimes only helps itself? People take advantage of the help that America does, and when it doesn't help in a situation BAM! people are hating America. No matter what it does there will be people who think poorly of America.

[nampigai]

I'm not bashing america but it's leader ;), please don't see it as an attack on you nor any other american here

[Acriku]

I didn't take it from your post Namp, someone just said America looks out for it's own. Which isn't bashing really, but oh well.

[ordos45]

Okay, we are on politicians now?  No politician is blindly loyal to his or her country and its ideals.

Now for those of you who think America needs to upgrade its intelligence funding, here is my own worst case scenario which any idiot terrorist could plan if he/she was in charge of a small terrorist organization.

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* First off, he/she sets up several shell companies.  They look real, they are pretty much real.  He/she hopefully make some profit.

* Next, he/she begins to use the different companies to buy bomb related materials.  (Such as chemical companies for chemicals).  He/she ships these over weeks and months into an American port, customs admits it cannot check as well as they wish (see recent issues of Reader's Digest, the "Target:  Terror" sections.)  And never ship any two things possibly bomb related with the same shell company.

* Then a terrorist would within years have what he/she needs to make a conventional bomb (I said worst case scenario, this is far from worst case so far).

* Next up operatives of this terrorist group goes to a location in the former Soviet Union.  The nuclear decommissioning facilities have next to no real security (also see past issues of Reader's Digest).  The operatives then steal some uranium and plutonium.

* The uranium and plutonium are smuggled into the US over the Mexico border or via private jet.

* The uranium and plutonium are placed within a truck.  The conventional bomb that has been made is also loaded on.

* A suicide bomber drives the truck into the heart of Washington D.C.

*The truck is detonated, the dirty bomb send radiation everywhere within up to a several hundred mile radius, killing the population.

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I told you it was a worst case scenario.  

[gryphon]

Euh, Ordos45 .. . don't take this the wrong way but I think your emgination is way of.

Step 1 to 3 have already happend, several times even. Remember Aum Shinrikoyo ?

Mayby "the Tokyo subway bomming" rings a bell.

Part 4 has also happend, not only in Russia where there are some missing reports on the wareabouts of radioactieve material but also from a US military base in Japan. And the nucliar planes stored on a harddrive of a nucliar power plant / military base where "lost" in the US some years ago. Not even to mention the amount of data leaking away from top-secret government contracters.

And for the last part, they did that thing with the truck, just not filled with nucliar material so far. But there are some reports released by the CIA and LOC that this could happen. Just a biological attacks.

So in my opinion it's far from the worst case scenario. It has already happend or you can find reports on the CIA and LOC database about this things. And the worst case scenario's they have there are mutch worse than what you mentioned .. . .

[Anathema]

Some terrorists even tried to release a biological weapon (in Dutch it's called Miltvuur, but I dunno in English) by venting it from vans while driving through several cities. But the stuff was carried and spread thin by the wind and nobody actually died....(I don't remember which cities or the terrorist organisation but it did happen)

As for the America thing...I never said I blame the USA for guarding mostly their own interests, as it is sometimes just none of their business, but I resent the way they act as some sort of saviour when they DO do something. And Bush is a complete moron- I don't know about his father but Bush junior is a complete and utter moron!

[Sardauker-Kirov]

I heard about a biological weapon like that.

You are right it spreads among the air, the effects looks innocent.  But it's very deadly after a long period of time.

So it will have the looks of a "accident" or a normal disease.

I also "heard" that they are engineering a special breed of virus that attacks specific people. For example, they can make a virus that only attacks people with blue eyes.  

If that will happen,  it will have a huge impact on every terrorist plagued country.

[Gunseng_Harkonnen]

Or with black skin. It could be used by all those who hate other races. USA was trying with Ebola virus but they didn`t make it, Ebola made mutation and most of people in building became ill.

And Bush is moron. During diplomate visit in Russia he was chewing a gum while he was talking with Putin and when some journalist asked why they don`t simle destroy rockets in place collecting it in special place if USA is now on good terms with Russia he told that he don`t know what will happen in 10 years time. I don`t know how people chose him, cos I think he didn`t became moron in the same time he became president.

[Anathema]

The effects of [dutch] miltvuur [/dutch] occur usually shortly after infection. The substance simply was spread to thin to do any serious harm.

Btw miltvuur is that white stuff that they sent around with letters.

Bush was always a moron. He's a jerk too. He raises import fees for raw iron to protect the American iron industry. What about the rest of the world? Jerk!

He also refused to sign the Kyoto treaty, the treaty that was supposed to reduce CO2 output across the world. Bush refused to sign it because it would damage the American economy. While the USA produces more CO2 then anyone. Japan initially refused to sign but they did it later, so USA is the only country who does not participate. Jerk!

And he kills the financial help the USA provided for abortion organisations in third world country. Jerk!

He only was elected because his dad was president- not because of his own achievements (or because of his intelect ::)). He is a jerk AND a moron.

[Acriku]

Oh you mean anthrax. That is a short-term, not a long-term, as Nuker corrected. Yeahyeah Bush is a moron, but so far hasn't caused any world wars.

[Anathema]

Yeahyeah Bush is a moron, but so far hasn't caused any world wars.

He's still a more or less dangerous man. I read in the paper that a new law in the USA has been accepted that allows the USA to invade the Netherlands if an international court decides to judge American soldiers. I hope I don't need to point out the stupidity of all this.

[ordos45]

No offense but stupidity is one of Bush and the current Legislative Branch specialties.  (Before people call me an evil Anti-American evil person, I live in the US.  So yes I know what the idiots seem like to those who live in the US.  And I have yet to meet an American who thought Bush was smart.)

[Anathema]

Well there must be quite a lot of those considering about half of the US people voted for him.

[Acriku]

Most just didn't want Gore ;) And most military hated Gore because he was "for the people" and not the military or government. Thank god Bush won though.

[Anathema]

I thought Gore was a bit of a dork and I wasn't particulary sympathetic to his cause, but I think he's better then Bush. At least he has an IQ higher then his shoe size.

[ordos45]

Gore, I cannot stand.  For those of you who have never heard my Gore story and want to just IM me on the forum system.  I'll tell you something though, it involve my ride forgetting me, a speech, and the Secret Service.

[Gobalopper]

Bush - Giulani in 2004! ;)

[ordos45]

Giulani I would say is smart enough to be Bush's puppet master.  The one really running things in 2004 then.

[Gunseng_Harkonnen]

So it looks like USA hadn`t much choice, since those who want to be elected, was all dorks, one worse than second. But which politician doesn`t become jerk when he know that he IS on the chair, especially when is re-elected and don`t care cos he won`t be chosen oce again anyway.

[Sardauker-Kirov]

The effects of [dutch] miltvuur [/dutch] occur usually shortly after infection. The substance simply was spread to thin to do any serious harm.

They have manipulated the disease with Bio engineering. That's what i heard on Discovery channel and some news channels, the effects of the "Modified Miltvuur" activates after a long period of time.

It's suppose to avoid detection, i think.

As for Bush, he doesn't care about the Americans. Bush might say for example " I feel sorry for victims of the world trade center. " Riiiiiiiiight... the so called typical personality concealment. Trying to earn people respect and "votes" by pretending you care about them.

In short, Bush doesn't care about the people. He only cares about the damage of the city.  >:(

[Anathema]

But if a reelected president screws up he'll make a moron out of himself and his entire political career is screwed. I'd still watch out.