Who was the Harq al-Harba?

[Purge]

I agree that the the name corrupting into a longer name with added consonants wouldn't make much sense.  If anything it would likely degenerate into an abbreviated form (for instance, the Hebrew Elazar compared to a first century abbreviation, Lazar, or the Hebrew name Y'hoshua and the later Babylonian abbreviation Yeishu'a).

Ada could easily be made out of three consonants (I can't speak for Arabic, but in Hebrew it would need at least an initial "silent" consont, a consonant for the D, and something to represent the last sound, whether a "silent consonant", or an H consonant to represent the last vowel).  Harba on the other hand would have a minimum of four consonants, and could possibly have  five.  There are too many differences in the words for one to be spun as a degeneration of the other.

[Dunenewt]

Ada would need two letters in Arabic.

[SandChigger]

Ada would need two letters in Arabic.

At least.

But actually, Old Bean, it's written with four: 'ayn - 'alif - dal - ta' marbutah.

Means "habit", right?

(Haven't looked to see if the "H" in the other words is normal ha' or the one with dot under. ;) )

[Dunenewt]

At least.

But actually, Old Bean, it's written with four: 'ayn - 'alif - dal - ta' marbutah.

Means "habit", right?

(Haven't looked to see if the "H" in the other words is normal ha' or the one with dot under. ;) )

I wouldn't have put the ayn and the alif both in, nor the ta and dal...I have only just moved back home last night, I'll have a look through my Arabic folder later.

[SandChigger]

The "Fremen" alphabet in the <i>DE</i> isn't standard, but here's what it might look like in Arabic:

<img src="http://www.hairyticksofdune.net/extimgs/harqalada_ar.jpg" alt="Harq al-Ada in Arabic?" />

I looked for an soon found the words in my Concise Oxford English-Arabic; haven't double checked by going through my mini Wehr yet. As I suspected, the 'H' was not the normal one, but the voiceless velar fricative x.

Assuming that Harq is the same in both names, any idea what Harba is supposed to mean? I read through the <i>DE</i> entries this morning, but other than the less-than-helpful note that the name is the Fremen translation of his real name, Aitu Cinoli, I can't find any indication of the meaning. (If, as McNelly suggested, it's an Arabic name for Shakespeare, I may find it when going through the Wehr later.)

Any idea what "aitu" or "cinoli" might mean? :)

[SandChigger]

Can I kill a thread or what? :D

[SandChigger]

One month on.

Yep...dead at a doormouse.

Requiescat in pace....

[Khan]

You can also completely pointlessly bump the hell out of a topic. You must be thrilled at such a diverse skillset.

[gunner154]

Maybe no one really knows what "aitu" and "cinoli" mean?

[SandChigger]

Maybe no one really knows what "aitu" and "cinoli" mean?

I guess not.  :(

(You're right, Khan. Please forgive me for distracting attention away from important gamer topics.)

[SandRider]

I was going to ask you this in jacurutu, but what exactly is the point of

this board ?  Just the Dune games ?  Are these gamers atall upset that Keith's

Doonivision is messing with the basic premises of their games ?  That future

games will be based on the Hack's ideas ?  Do they care ?

And if any of them are OH, why have I not seen them in the sietch ?

[Khan]

Most of the gamers believe EA was the death of the Dune games, the games never had much to do with the books anyway, or at least the affiliation was very loose. Cryo was the only chance for a good Dune game with Generations, until they went under. I'm not that bothered about KJA and BH, mostly because I've stopped reading the new Dune books, you'd be amazed how good it feels not obsess over it.

[SandRider]

okay then.  I'm an old guy (really, not like the SandChigger who claims to be old and is like in his forties or something) so I stopped playing video games around the Frogger era.  Pong was effing amazing, tho, about 1976. Telstar console thing or something like that. The "expert" toggle switch made your paddle real small.  I'm a literature/history guy, not really into scifi at all, except for Frank Herbert's Dune, which changed my life around 1967.  So what KJA is doing is not at all trivial to me. It's an attack on a Masterpiece of American Literature, not just a bad Star Wars comic book.  It'd be like Steinbeck's kid writing a sequel to "Grapes of Wrath" where the Joad children all get good jobs and live happily ever after.  In the story of American Literature, what the HLP is doing is a serious thing.

[SandChigger]

One always needs something to obsess over.... :P

[SandRider]

yeah, like what the NARP is doing.  I told you about that, right ?  They've set a maximum age limit on rodeo clowns in their sanctioned events.  I've got an appeal in, but I don't think they'll get to it before the Big Show in San Angelo in February.

[SandChigger]

Now THAT is random. ;)

[SandRider]

It's bunch of bullflop.  My insurance specifically covers goring. AND stompings AND rope burn.

[Harq al-Harba]

Coming back after a LOOOONG break,

FWIW, I can tell you why I chose the name for this board. In the DE, he is more that just the historian that Farad'n is. He is a poet, playwright, and literary icon who sought to explore the meaning of Mu'ad Dib to the Fremen. I felt attracted to him as a character (and, besides, only a DE reader would appreciate the reference). DE discusses what, by the time of the Scattering, was a dispute over whether or not Farad's was, indeed, also al-Harba, and I decided, IMHO, he was not. To me, the DE entry was a riff on an academic theory that was hot in the eighties over whether or not Shakespeare was a real person or a pseudonym. Of course, he is now apparently not canon, which is fine by me.