Alexander the great trailer up

[Tako]

if you liked King Arthur and Troy

you're gunna love this! :O

Alexander

what do you think? blockbuster?

[nemafakei]

Is this another one for the error lists?

[Tako]

what do you mean? ???

error list? me?

[Caid Ivik]

I've just seen Aliens vs Predator and considering that they brought nothing new compared to AvP games I doubt that movies based on previous things could be somehow fascinating...

[Tako]

well as an historian (wannabe) its very interesting to me besides it can be used in my History lessons

just like troy and king arthur

[Khan]

That is, assuming that it is historically accurate, which Arthur was (probably) not, and Troy's historical basis is being questioned slightly, there is a theory it happened near Cambridge. But it looks, average.

[Seal89999]

This movie looks to be very awsome. Im sure I will see it within a week or two of its release.

[nemafakei]

"it can be used in my History lessons just like troy"

NO! NO! NO!

Error list as in the films are full of things completely misleading. Is it not that Agamemnon is killed during the film when the Odyssey tells us he was killed by Aegisthus and Clytemnestra beck in Greece?

[Tako]

the odyssy was also a book that was written by an writer (homerus) there are many tales that go round, for instance that Archilles was a half god, the film gives us an more down to earth look on things and in the story by Homerus many things may have been changed also as to the "real" story. 

In essence the story is the same

paris falling in love

the horse

archilles

that's what it is about

In Hystory we teach facts not myth, but: to understand the facts we must understand what it was like to live in that time the film is usefull to that end not as to display facts

hope I'm making sence here please ask

[Khan]

But the so called 'essence' of the story could be untrue:

http://www.troy-in-england.co.uk/p0.htm

Apparently troy happened in england, as I said

[Tako]

there heve been archeological sites at the palce whare troy was supposed to be and there is evidence that there was a city then and that it was destroyd (by fire)

as for arthur: the film was based on what archeoligists found out and not on what the legend tells us, sometimes myth and hystory are not so different but sometimes it is (like arthur).

never the less the films would be a nice intro to the subject at hand.

take it from a teacher..

[nemafakei]

"In essence the story is the same

paris falling in love

the horse

archilles

that's what it is about"

That well depends. The horse was not mentioned in the Iliad, only in the Odyssey, and then by Demodocus. Not sure about the Iliadion. What you see as the core elements of the story may well be very different to what Homer or a 4th-century greek might have said. Or indeed a Mycenean.  Is it not about Hector, too? And is it not about the actions of the Greek leadership? Or is it simply about epic heroism?

Paris falling in love doesn't really come into it. Paris stealing Helen, yes, but falling in love?

And historically, well, I don't know (having only seen summaries), but I'd guess it wasn't perfect, either.

As an introduction... only if you then spend as much time pointing out the flaws, so that preconceptions are not set.

(By the way, Achilles is the more usual spelling, and history is not spelled hystory).

[Tako]

you've proven my point, :)

Iliad and the Oddysey are both from Homer it is an hystorical tale he wrote down, he may have added some things tot make it more dramatic.

The Movie follows the iliad and to some point Historical facts (archeolegy)

It's about Hero

[Mahdi]

there heve been archeological sites at the palce whare troy was supposed to be and there is evidence that there was a city then and that it was destroyd (by fire)

as for arthur: the film was based on what archeoligists found out and not on what the legend tells us, sometimes myth and hystory are not so different but sometimes it is (like arthur).

never the less the films would be a nice intro to the subject at hand.

take it from a teacher..

No no no no no NO NO NO!

[Tako]

about troy twas so (saw it on discovery)

about Arthur dunno :O (maybe I'm easy to convince but it does make more sence then the lady and the lake thingy)

[Mahdi]

1st)  Troy wasn't historical either.  Our only source for it are the excavations of the supposed city and Homer.  That's it.  And the stuff we do know (ie. battle tactics, armour) were centuries out of date.

2nd)  The only thing historical about King Arthur was that, yes, Britain existed, and yes, the Romans came and left.  Everything else was pure and utter bullshit.   

[Tako]

1st)

[Anathema]

Also in Troy somebody geniously thinks of the horse trick a few days after the beach landing, while from what we know the Greeks besieged Troy for about 10 years before they thought of that.

Interesting note: in the movie a guy named Aenas gets to take the sword of Troy when the abandon the city. Aenas is the name of a city built by Trojan refugees in Italy, who's people later built Rome.

[Apollyon]

No, Aeneas is the name of the guy who founded Alba Longa, which is the name of the city that became Rome (in theory).

[Anathema]

...?

The city Rome was founded by Romulus and Remus, and was named Rome from the moment that the first killed the latter.

In theory.

[Tako]

both right: this I know:

Aeneus fled Troy and travelt a great part of the mediterain sea, also wount up in Egypt for a while

later on in the story he founded a city, in italy

many years pass and then a sister of a decendend of Aeneus give birth to Romulus and remus but; she is a priestres and she was made pregnant by the god Mars (war).

The twin brothers end up in the river Tiber and are found by a wolf who give's them milk, protection and treats them like her own

later they are found by an sheepherder and when they grow up they realise they are not just mortels...

They decide to build a city

but who is to name is (cutting a long story short) Romules wins and in his victory he kills remus who is bitter because he lost.

Thus Rome was built.

(but that is just the legend of course

[Apollyon]

Romulus and Remus is an absurd myth. Aeneas is far more likely to be a genuine historical figure, especially since no suckling by a she-wolf is involved...

[Tako]

read again and then you'll see

taht Romules and Remus are decendends (or wathever) of Aenaes.

both legend myth or maybe there is some truth in every story that makes us look deper and... *whack* :O

Arutha will be beack tomorrow

-his girlfriend

[nemafakei]

The fanciful description of arms were added by later bards practicing the oral tradition. No-one actually used a gold breatplate, Iron came in about 1200BC, well after the Trojan war. But while the bards account for the oral tradition, it's generally accepted that some sort of war took place, perhaps even a series on excursions. If 'Troy' showed pretty much any metal but bronze, it's misleading historically.

I mean, as an introduction to studying classical history, it's at best misleading. As an introduction to classical literature, it's totally inconsistent with the texts. As an introduction to understanding classical civilisation, frankly, subverting homer is about the last thing you want to do.

Assorted Spellings: Aeneas, Romulus, Remus, Agamemnon, Rhea Silvia (mother of Rom. and Rem., daughter of Numitor), Iulus/Ascanius (son of Aeneas, reputed founder of Alba Longa).

[Anathema]

I did some checking up. I thought that Aeneas was the name of a city because I misread something in a history book, but this is how it should in theory have been.

Aeneas had a son, Ascanius, who reputedly founded the city Alba Longa. It is not the city of Rome, though it lies close to it geographicly- the current name of the city is Castelgandolfo. It's pretty certain that Rome was founded near the Tiber river by two twin brothers named Romulus and Remus (at least Romulus existed, he was Rome's first king), both exiles from Alba Longa (some say they were descendents of Aeneas himself), and Rome later became a sanctuary for other exiles and unwanted people as well.