Face-Dancer Posted August 23, 2004 Share Posted August 23, 2004 Hi everybody , I'm new , I just discovered this wonderful beeing a big fan of Dune books and games this site is like a dream for me,finding so much things on the best universe that ever existed and my God : Franck Herbert ;D :D ;)Well, after this small introduction let's talk of the subject.I just have read the message about the introduction of the house Ordos in the game and so a new question harass me : I wanted to ask about the wrong symbols, I have the Dune Encyclopedia , haven't had the time to fully read it yet but it will come :PAnd when you look at the description of all the Noble House of the Landsraad you see that the symbol of the sable on a pale (a vertical band) argent,a closed book tenn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mahdi Posted August 24, 2004 Share Posted August 24, 2004 Scroll down two news articles on the main page. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf Posted August 24, 2004 Share Posted August 24, 2004 Hawk - Ram - Snake. It fits the theme of noble houses being represented by animals that reflect their character. Atreides; noble and arrogant. Harkonnen; forceful and violent. Ordos; cold-blooded and secretive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HasimirFenring Posted August 24, 2004 Share Posted August 24, 2004 Hawk - Ram - Snake. It fits the theme of noble houses being represented by animals that reflect their character. Atreides; noble and arrogant. Harkonnen; forceful and violent. Ordos; cold-blooded and secretive.Harkonnen is supposed to be a Griffin! I don't remember what the pic looks like in Emperor... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mahdi Posted August 24, 2004 Share Posted August 24, 2004 SighAgain, look at the main page.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf Posted August 24, 2004 Share Posted August 24, 2004 (We should keep discussing this just to bother Mahdi. "What?! A Hawk?! I thought it was a Falcon?") Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunenewt Posted August 24, 2004 Share Posted August 24, 2004 What kind of hawk, a Sparrowhark, Goshawk... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf Posted August 24, 2004 Share Posted August 24, 2004 I dunno, I suppose we have to look it up. Which house was it? Hokey? Harken? Harko? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunenewt Posted August 24, 2004 Share Posted August 24, 2004 Isn't Harkonnen a finnish name? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apollyon Posted August 24, 2004 Share Posted August 24, 2004 Yes, it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Face-Dancer Posted August 25, 2004 Author Share Posted August 25, 2004 Yes, I looked at the main page but I find that the answer isn't really finished !That's why I wanted to talk about it here. :DFor the house Harkonnen it's an Hawk I think and the Falcon for the Atreides , even if the Dune Encyclopedia they represent the house Harkonnen with a ram (symbol used in all the games).Maybe can we discuss about the Ram/Hawk as well here. ;DWell, it's true they represent quite well the "mentality" of the house but why haven't kept the original symbols in the games ? They are maybe less talkative but still cool I think. 8)Already a big thanks to all poeple who began to answered my post ;)Cya all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunenewt Posted August 25, 2004 Share Posted August 25, 2004 It was supposed to be a Griffin, the Harkonnen badge that is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anathema Posted August 25, 2004 Share Posted August 25, 2004 That bothers me too. Some people say that they chose the ram as symbol for house Harkonnen because it reflects their attitude better. The truth is that they have completely distorted the Harkonnens in the game. In the books, the Harkonnens were sly, cunning and efficient. In the games they're just a bunch of silly brutes, lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunenewt Posted August 25, 2004 Share Posted August 25, 2004 Seems all Harkonnens in the game are like Raban was in the books. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HasimirFenring Posted August 26, 2004 Share Posted August 26, 2004 Games are even less faithful to the books they were based on than movies tend to be, apparently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Face-Dancer Posted August 26, 2004 Author Share Posted August 26, 2004 Yes, it's sad they change the original story to create a game, still cool but they change it :'(In the post of the Influences of Dune , I'm also speaking of the error to see a woman mentat for the Ordos since there are only men in Mentats and only women in Bene-Gesserit who dislike each other.Yes,I remember now for the original symbol of house Harkonnen it's the Griffin !!!The falcon for the Atreides and the 2 bones in cross with Ivy for the Ordos.But in the dune Encyclopedia , it's the RAM for the Harkonnen, so why do they change it there as well ? The Ram is a pretty cool representation for the Harkonnen.Maybe they changed because there already was a bird (the Falcon) for the Atreides, well the griffin is not really a bird but it's a kind of bird. And maybe they didn't wanted anything similar for the houses ???When you look in the Encyclopedia all the symbols are really distincts !!!An other question come to me now ... why the snake around the book for house Wallach and the bones for the Ordos ? And why first the griffin for the Harkonnen ?The lion for the emperor is really normal and well chosen, Lion is the king and noble who suits perfectly well to the Corrino.But haven't seen yet any symbol for the guild (they are travellers so the three planets is quite well chosen), but for the Tleilaxu ? (what is the symbol in the game ?) and fremen (strange symbol as well in the game a kind of stone pillar I think(reason ?)) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunenewt Posted August 27, 2004 Share Posted August 27, 2004 The three circles linked by a line represent the Guild. This is true in the books as well as the games, they are supposed to represent something, I can't remember what though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anathema Posted August 27, 2004 Share Posted August 27, 2004 I don't think the Guild log was in the book- it's in the movie htough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanguard3000 Posted August 27, 2004 Share Posted August 27, 2004 -The Dune Encyclopedia lists the Harkonnen heraldic symbol as being a ram because it was written before Heretics of Dune, which was really the first time it was said the gryphon was their symbol. In Dune, it really just makes vague references to orange and blue banners.-Mentats didn't hate women; they were just somewhat suspicious of the Bene Gesserit. Although thsi was probably a universal mentat thing, it was especially true for Thufir Hawat. Then again, he was suspicious of pretty much everything. That certainly doesn't mean there no female mentats. As unlikely as some men may find it, women are in fact capable of logical thought.-The Guild logo is mentioned in the books as being a stylized infinity symbol. I suppose the Guild's "chain" logo from the film could be one interperetation of that description, although I'd be inclined to think it was just made from scratch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Face-Dancer Posted August 28, 2004 Author Share Posted August 28, 2004 -Thanks , I didn't knew the encyclopedia was released before "The heretics of Dune" that explains lot of things 8) about the Harkonnen symbol but not why he choosed the griffin symbol after it :(-About Mentats I didn't said they hated women, I said they don't like the sisters of the bene-gesserit for political reasons(Mentats are advisors as well as bene-gesserits are),I though have never seen any women Mentats in all the books rather men,and the fact that bene-gesserit is only composed of women it would be logical (as the Mentats and the bene-gesserits are kind of nemesis) that there would be only men in the Mentat order. (Bene-gesserits would be happiest without the Mentats and the Mentats happiest without the Bene-Gesserits(for Bene-gesserit secret objective is to aquire more political power,Mentats avoid them to gain it in a kind of way)) ;D-The guild logo is probably made from scratch,I remember about the infinity symbol but nothing about the three circled outlined. :- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mahdi Posted August 28, 2004 Share Posted August 28, 2004 There are plenty of women mentats in the books. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
driftingcloud Posted August 28, 2004 Share Posted August 28, 2004 I'm really interested in the ancestry of this name if anyone can give more detail on it. How does the name come into being in Finland? Does it represent an occupation, or does it represent a lineage of some sort? anyone know? Details, I want details....Isn't Harkonnen a finnish name? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunenewt Posted August 31, 2004 Share Posted August 31, 2004 I don't know, but I was speaking to a finnish person and they said that it was finnish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anathema Posted September 1, 2004 Share Posted September 1, 2004 Never heard of that, but I'm not surprised. Everybody knows Finnish are the most evil people on Earth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunenewt Posted September 1, 2004 Share Posted September 1, 2004 Nah, they come a mere second to the Dutch ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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