danielsh Posted June 21, 2004 Posted June 21, 2004 By your logic, Gunwounds, you should be perfectly willing to try buttsex. To just give it a shot.But your logic is flawed and absurd. Since you're not gay, you're not qualified to describe what gay men feel. Indeed, it's incredibly offensive that you think you can. So I'll ask you again, as I did at this topic's very beginning, to please---pretty please---with sugar on top---stop.
GUNWOUNDS Posted June 21, 2004 Posted June 21, 2004 bona fide, 100%, attracted-to-men-for-the-sake-of-men-and-could-never-want-a-women types. Do these even exist?
GUNWOUNDS Posted June 21, 2004 Posted June 21, 2004 I reach the conclusion that homosexuality is not really genetic, and must come from some other physiological cause.I 100% agree....events that happen to you growing up can have a significant impact on you.
GUNWOUNDS Posted June 21, 2004 Posted June 21, 2004 Homosexuality, while not mainly genetic, is no less a natural phenomenon...Homosexuality is a physiological condition, caused by physiological causes.Yes but is that necessarily natural?
GUNWOUNDS Posted June 21, 2004 Posted June 21, 2004 By your logic, Gunwounds, you should be perfectly willing to try buttsex.
Dante Posted June 21, 2004 Posted June 21, 2004 yea i agree rat study sounded pretty good....it seems the male rats were humping other male rats to relieve pent up frustrations. What, do you speak rat now?I mean... HELLO? prison rape?
GUNWOUNDS Posted June 21, 2004 Posted June 21, 2004 i see Wolfwiz and i are the only ones here who can provide arguments
GUNWOUNDS Posted June 21, 2004 Posted June 21, 2004 You really can't get your head around the idea of same-gender love, can you?yes its called fatherly love, brotherly love, and friendshipif you are referring to same-sex romantic love ... thats just a euphemism for wanting to indulge in sexual taboo.
Caid Ivik Posted June 21, 2004 Posted June 21, 2004 Well, Caid, we'll find out, won't we? Think about it; because of technology, humanity has a far larger population than nature ever intended for it to have. And look at all the military conflicts we have going on right now. Rats, like humans, are mammalian social creatures. A lot of similarities between them. I think this study still holds true for human psychology, and I think that discounting it would be bad, among other things...Technology doesn't play a role in human psychology. We don't change as mankind, only grow and amass cultural things and knowledge. But that's not important. Altough biologists and pacifists may not agree with me, human war isn't same as rat cannibalism. War is caused by many rationally analysed factors, we can say mostly caused by conflict of wills. Rats have no will; only instinct. If one rat will kill another one, it's always an accident, or perhaps instinctual error. Between humans, irational (or maybe illusively rational, what is enough for us) killing can be caused only by failure or an illness. But that's not war, that's not even murder, there is no intention, no will."Life results from the non-random survival of randomly varying replicators." - Richard Dawkins. Variation is random (perhaps as you say chaos), the survival of such is not.Whole nature is going to one dead end: either big crunch, thermal death or even Sun collapse would be enough. Idea of "survival", as primary nature's sense, is a nonsense.
erjin999 Posted June 21, 2004 Posted June 21, 2004 Couldn't a male being gay, be the genes doing whatever they would to a woman, to make her appreciate men, accidently being put in a man... and vice versa for lesbians ?Bit like the guys born with no knobs, and all that...The genes getting mixed up I mean.No links, nothing, cause I saw it on tv, and I aint going to search the net unless someone really want me to. Surely you clever people know what I mean though ?Or is this a theory thats been blasted out of the windows before ?
Anathema Posted June 21, 2004 Posted June 21, 2004 If the causes of homosexuality are not predetermined but result from psychological changes, why does homosexuality occur with animals, who have no psyche? Rats will have sex with anything they can get, but there have been recordings of animals attracted exclusively to their own sex.
Caid Ivik Posted June 21, 2004 Posted June 21, 2004 Couldn't a male being gay, be the genes doing whatever they would to a woman, to make her appreciate men, accidently being put in a man... and vice versa for lesbians ?Bit like the guys born with no knobs, and all that...The genes getting mixed up I mean.No links, nothing, cause I saw it on tv, and I aint going to search the net unless someone really want me to. Surely you clever people know what I mean though ?Or is this a theory thats been blasted out of the windows before ?Why not? It's our scientific fanatics up here, which try to "explain" everything and finally negate the existence of fortune.
erjin999 Posted June 21, 2004 Posted June 21, 2004 I think it is more genetic. A mix up of the genes, effectively making a male with that part of the person that should (?) be attracted to the opposite sex actually attracted to the same sex..
Caid Ivik Posted June 21, 2004 Posted June 21, 2004 There are many genes. Most personal characteristics, even those proclaimed as abnormalities or illnesses are caused by DNA configuration. Curve in translation process, nothing can be fully copied.
Wolf Posted June 21, 2004 Posted June 21, 2004 Its other physiological factors, basically, what Dust Scout said. "Chemicals get mixed up, chromosomes switch themselves around." This would adequately explain not only homosexuals, but the whole range of human sexualities. That, and it would also explain the prevelance -- not to say that there is a large number, but to say that knowledge of homosexuals and homosexual individuals are relatively easy to come into contact to -- of homosexuality in modern society, even though basic genetic and hereditary factors discourage it.Caid; now that I think about it, you are entirely correct about warfare. I would suppose the "random violence" argument would hold true more for, say, anarchy. But, we do not really experience that too often in the modern world.
danielsh Posted June 21, 2004 Posted June 21, 2004 I've been avoiding this 'debate,' because frankly, I didn't think that it would go anywhere. I was wrong. Gunwounds, my hat goes off to you---you have the power to bring ANY discussion down to your level.However maybe your homosexuality is the "dominance" type dustscout.... all those bigger kids at school you said were picking on you... perhaps subconsciously you want to dominate them to be the alpha male perhaps? Interesting.You make me sick.How dare you? How fucking dare you use another person's psyche as your argument? How dare you taunt another person with his background, with his childhood, with his experiences?You can flaunt your "Christian morality" all you want, but you are one sad fucking example of goodness and righteousness. Did you miss the "do unto others" bit of the Bible? Did you skip it because it wouldn't be handy in oppressing and degrading others? Or did you figure that Jesus was just kidding around when in fact he hates those fags as much as you do?You are a sad and pathetic individual. I sincerely hope that we meet someday, because I may be a cocksucker, but I'm sure I could kick your ass.
Dante Posted June 21, 2004 Posted June 21, 2004 if you are referring to same-sex romantic love ... thats just a euphemism for wanting to indulge in sexual taboo. Your opinion.i see Wolfwiz and i are the only ones here who can provide arguments
Acriku Posted June 21, 2004 Posted June 21, 2004 This is why I don't like talking about psychology, because any loser can make a theory up and it'd be very difficult to prove it wrong because our knowledge base of the brain is so low compared to other areas.
Wolf Posted June 21, 2004 Posted June 21, 2004 Yes, Dust, that's what I was supporting. I recall hearing that, in humans, now, no more rats and birds, if the mother experiences high levels of stress in the third trimester, the child stands an increased chance of developing non-heterosexual orientation. There must be, as you stated earlier, Dust, chemical imbalances or other developmental changes. This is what I've been talking about for a while now... I hope I wasn't unclear, or something.
Dante Posted June 21, 2004 Posted June 21, 2004 I expect I just missed the message due to the lack of insults directed at me. :)
nemafakei Posted June 21, 2004 Posted June 21, 2004 Gunwounds, your posts in this thread have bordered on, then fallen headlong into, arrogance, not to mention rudeness.If you want to continue arguments, I suggest you base your case on purely biological evidence (as opposed to psychological evidence, or, as is more apt in your case, plain assertion).
GUNWOUNDS Posted June 21, 2004 Posted June 21, 2004 If the causes of homosexuality are not predetermined but result from psychological changes, why does homosexuality occur with animals, who have no psyche? Rats will have sex with anything they can get, but there have been recordings of animals attracted exclusively to their own sex.have you not been paying attention bro? Animals hump each other to establish DOMINANCE.One is trying to become the ALPHA male while the other becomes the OMEGA male... its a pecking order. Has no one here taken ecology classes? Animals humping each other is NOT homosexuality.And men humping men is not true homosexuality either... it is called sexual perversion.go look at my previous post where i posted 9 different ways a man could practice "gay" acts and not truly be gay. true homosexuality doesnt exist..... when poeple have sex with kids or animals.... we dont make up special categories for them.... we call them perverts.... so why make a special category for men having sex with men? there is no true bona-fide homosexual ... the only exception maybe being those who were molested or traumatized as a child. And they arent even really homosexual they were forced into that by trauma.
Caid Ivik Posted June 21, 2004 Posted June 21, 2004 We should make some rule like preventing Gunwounds posting in other threads than in his own ones. Half of PRP are his forums anyway...
GUNWOUNDS Posted June 21, 2004 Posted June 21, 2004 Couldn't a male being gay, be the genes doing whatever they would to a woman, to make her appreciate men, accidently being put in a man... and vice versa for lesbians ?Bit like the guys born with no knobs, and all that...The genes getting mixed up I mean.No links, nothing, cause I saw it on tv, and I aint going to search the net unless someone really want me to. Surely you clever people know what I mean though ?Or is this a theory thats been blasted out of the windows before ?yes there are hermaphrodites and there men who take female hormones.
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