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Severence

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Have a question for you folks, I have the game, but can't get it to start.  I skimmed over the other posts and don't have any of the problems listed there, and truth be told, I know what my problem is, same one I had with Warcraft 3, it tries to run at 75 Hertz and my peice of junk monitor won't go above a pathetic 60.  Warcraft 3 has a Fix out for their game though so that it'll start at 60 for you, and I can play that, I was just wondering, anyone happen to know where I can get a similar tweak for Dune?  If not, yes, I know, get a new monitor, I don't need to be spammed with that...I've got a 21" on the way.  Wheee...

  Anyway, let me know.  Thanks!

Timenn

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I haven't seen any update for Dune (I think you mean Emperor) that can fix that.

You might want to try to lower your resolution. Often the refresh rate will go down when setting the resolution high. But when you already have done that, or the maximum is 60 Hz, then you should...  :-X (Not sure about that, there might be other solutions)

Severence

Severence

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Alright, here we go.  I'm running a Geforce 4 Ti 4600, I'm running the drivers 4403 'cause I don't want to jump up into FX drivers for a Ti...I get a better benchmark with these and all of the newer games enjoy them just fine.  :)  My MONITOR...now there's my problem, I know, lol, it's a 15" Packard Bell I got with my very first computer, it's Max refresh rate is 60Hz period...and if any games kick me over that, I get the mostly black screen with a reeeeeally distorted image of something from the game in the background, same as I got from Warcraft III...lol.

  As for Desktop Res, I already tried it in 800x600 and that's the lowest I can go...I've tried kicking XP pro into backwards compat mode for Emperor and that still doesn't help, tried to force it to run in 640x480 in hopes it would drop the bandwidth for the monitor, but no luck.  So unless you guys have any other ideas, chances are I'm gonna just have to sit around and wait 'til I can get another monitor.  If you do have any other suggestions, feel free to post 'em up here, and if you'd like a DxDiag or somethin', just ask.  Also, another little question, I'm picking up a 5900 pretty soon, it's on order...I'm not entirely sure how old Emperor is, will it have trouble with newer cards you think?  I still play old SSI games, so I know I'm boned there, I just want to know whether I should stick with my Ti 4600 'til after I'm done with Dune?

SurlyPIG

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Download and run RefreshForce

It is usually used to fix the opposite problem, with many games defaulting to 60hz in Windows XP, but this should work for you, and you wont have to play in a lower res, though with a 15" monitor, I don't see why you would want anything higher than 800x600.

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Keep in mind, though, Severence, that 60 herz is bad for you.

You can get dizzy, have problems focusing, and get hurting eyes from looking at a monitor which only runs at 60herz. I would find it very strange if you don't have headaches now and then too.(at least if you use the computer more than an hour a day)

I advice you to buy a new monitor, which will be much better for you.

Andrew

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But isn't there a downside to higher refresh rates? (more electricity required, more work/wear and tear?)

Just want to know whether I should put it to the max.

On my old computer/monitor I set it to optimal refresh rate. (Which new monitor has no such setting)

gryphon

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if it costs more power it's gon'na be just a small fraction of the amount you are currently using. And your lifetiem may go from 50 years to 49 . . no seriously.. . as far as I know you won't have those side effets.

It's better for your eyes .. more tranquil. . .and think that if it has some of the side effects you refered to .. keeping your eyes healthy would be more important. :)

SurlyPIG

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Hz are just a unit of frequency, in this case they mean updates per second.

Monitors are designed to take process and display up to a certain number of frames per second, and as long as you're using a frequency supported by your monitor, it'll be fine, at you'll be better off.  The only instance I can think of where a high frequency would be detrimental is if your graphics card can't output enough frames per second for your monitor to display, in which case your monitor would be doing double-time and there would be image corruption.

But other than that very rare occurance, (for which you would need to have a very new monitor and a VERY crapy GPU) I would go as high as your monitor allows.  Higher frequency is much better for your eyes and your head.

*IMPORTANT NOTE FOR ALL*

For you gamers out there, be aware of a Windows XP bug in which most games will default to 60 hz unless the application controls the refresh rate.  You can fix this bug by using RefreshForce.

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Super-ness

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but with *newer* drivers for geforce, you can change it yourself and ur FPS will increase...or decrease, you dont need refreshforce anymore, except if u cant change it or you have older drivers

Cyborg

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LCD screens and CRT screens are different in their updating process.

You only get dizzy from CRT monitors because they update the screen by kind of moving a horizontal barrier vertically. The higher hertz the monitor is running at, the smaller these barriers look to you. If your monitor is running at 60 or up to 75 hertz, these barriers will be annoying your vision, and you will have problems focusing on the screen because of these "invisible"(they're really not invisible, try filming your monitor with a camera) obscur your vision.

On LCD monitors you don't have this problem. They update by turning crystals to either prevent light from being emittet or letting light of a specific colour by. You can film at an LCD monitor with your camera, and you will se that it does not have any annoying update elements on the screen.

That was why you should run at above 60 hertz  ;)

GhostHunter

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It doesn't flicker...it never has. And I don't see any difference between my laptop at 100 or 120, something around that. And I'm always in a bad mood just to piss others off, and its working obviously.  ;D

gryphon

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LCD screens and CRT screens are different in their updating process.

You only get dizzy from CRT monitors because they update the screen by kind of moving a horizontal barrier vertically. The higher hertz the monitor is running at, the smaller these barriers look to you.

On LCD monitors you don't have this problem. They update by turning crystals to either prevent light from being emittet or letting light of a specific colour by.

I always thought that a CRT monitor build it's screen pixel by pixel. . shooting photons at the screen giving it collor one pixel at a time. Doing so moving first morizontally then verical .. or vise versa depending on the type of screen you have. Hz is the number of times your monitor does one of those screen build up cycles. Every time one cycle [ compleat build up of the screen ] has passed and it will start the next buildup cycle. Doing that cycle 60 times per second would give you a 60 hz monitor.

A LCD doesn't build up it's screen like that. The whole screen is being build symultaniously. As it doesn't require a cathode to shoot photons at it. .  So the term Hz is slighly different with LCD's.

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