Ladies and gentlemen, we've got him!

[Tako]

I don't think he will become a martyr, if you listen to the reactions of the iraqi peoploe in the streets you get the feeling they aren't much concurned with Shaddam, but more with there own survival.

Only the hand full of follewers that remain whil concider him a Martyr and that's not going to change even if he is not killed.

[EWS]

He cannot become a Martyr until he is killed btw.  And it will change things if he was to be killed.  A Martyr is a very powerful thing indeed and can spur people on to do things.  Remember, people would receive the idea that Saddam was willing to go and died whilst fighting a cause, that cause was to destroy the West.  If Saddam was to be killed then it could end up with people just fighting harder as they are not afraid to die.  And that is very dangerous.

[Tako]

I wat a martyr is and dead or alive he will be followed by his true believers.

But I agree with you that if he dies in "a blaze of glory" it would stir up a problem. I say strip him of every dignety he has and then let the people deside. But for his true followers that won't be a problem its like Al Qaida most of them never even met Binladen but do follow him, we don't even know if he's realluy alive right know.

There will always remain a (small) faction of treu followers of Hussein and they wil keep causing problems and terrorist attacs.

[EWS]

Personally I believe that his followers will join Al Queda eventually.  As for Saddam?  If he were to die (which I am strongly against) he should be stoned to death or shoed to death.  But lets just stick him in Guantamano bay!

[Tako]

I'm against death penalty in any sort but sometimes I'd like to make an exeption. I fhe has to be killed then in Public and very slowly, he doesn't deserve a quik death.

but locking him up would be wiser I think

[EWS]

Then lets stick him in Guantamano bay

[Dunenewt]

I think he should either be kept in London Zoo for public amusement along with the (Mis-)Information Minister, or given to the Iraqis for them to do what ever they want with him.

[Tako]

agread, Guantamano bay that is

maybe we can put a camera there as well, make it a real live show or something, letting people throw things at him and stuff lol ;D

then he can pay his own cel

naah, beter the public forgets about him whole

[EWS]

I've got it.  Do a David Blaine.  Above the river Tigriz in Iraq!!  Or the Themes!!!

[Tako]

I've got it.  Do a David Blaine.  Above the river Tigriz in Iraq!!  Or the Themes!!!

what's a David Blaine?

[EWS]

David Blaine is this magician who decided to do a stunt called "Above the Below."  He sat in a perspex box for 40 odd days with only water.  Didnt go down to well. 

[Tako]

Yeah now I remember wasn't much publicety for him overhere in Holland though didn't know his name either

but the idee is very tempting  ;D

[EWS]

He really was an idiot for doing that.

Anyway, what do you think should become of Iraq?  Should the Americans keep it for now or should there be elections and a new Iraqi President Elected?  What do you think are the pro's and cons of doing that?

[Anathema]

I think he should either be kept in London Zoo for public amusement

1) right, that's going to happen seeing as how American troops captured him.

2) what's amusing about humiliating him (or any person like that?

Letting his own people judge him is the only way to deal with the situation. If not the radicals will always hide behind the excuse that the Americans killed their leader (and he'd most certainly receive the death penalty)

[EWS]

Roll on the movie on how the Americans won the war all by themselves.  Watch them miss how they killed more friendlies then the Iraqis did, and then roll up to the ultimate conclusion when one man struggles against 100 Iraqi soilders and defeats Saddam Hussain with his own shoe!

;) ::) 8)

Could be good!

[Tako]

now that would be a blockbuster ;D ;D ;)

[Tako]

I think what iraq  needs is a stabel goverment right know, one that could get the country back on his feet, don't know if that should be the Americans though. In my opinion the Amerikans have been involved far to much for my taste always interfering whith other country's. Especially now under Bush' leadership. Don't get me wrong Saddam is gone and that's good but some how I can't get over the arogant posture of Bush and kin.

I think a major role should be for the iraqi people with help of the U.N. ( some strikt guideline's perhaps? we don't need a nother shaddam)

[EWS]

Personally I would like to see a government in Iraq and it to be made from a general election.  However, there would definately need to be some sort of stabalisation in place to help this person.  There should be no Americans in charge, only the UN and Iraqi's.  Someone who is elected by the people, for the people.

Further, a call should go to all companies in the world.  Help to rebuild Iraq, the best bidder wins.  At the moment, because Americans are in charge, America seems to be rebuilding iraq.  This isnt right, it should be the best company for the job.

[Dante]

Ordinarily I'd say it's none of our business and that we should just go away but it's too late for that now and it is our business whether we like it or not.

The rebuilding of Iraq should be done by companies. Not governments, companies. Completely neutral multi-national groups with no loyalties to any government.

Or even better, French companies.  :P   

(Incidentally Timenn, if you'd been paying attention you would have noticed EWS mention he goes to the same school [and philosophy class] as me and I've already said I'm 16 so asking his age wasn't really necessary...)  

[EWS]

Why French?

[Dante]

If you'd been around a few months ago you would have seen a surge of France-hating because France was so scathing about the war and refusing to support it. The irony would be just wonderful if Iraq became a mini-France.

Go France!   

[Tako]

If you'd been around a few months ago you would have seen a surge of France-hating because France was so scathing about the war and refusing to support it. The irony would be just wonderful if Iraq became a mini-France.

Go France!     

now, this is scary  ::) ;D

but I agree, compagnies no goverments what so ever

[Gobalopper]

Here is a poll from Iraq:

Distribution percentage of participants:

Baghdad 32%

Arbil 15%

Diyala 7%

Basrah 15%

Karbala 10%

Mosul 11%

Ramadi 6%

Faluja 4%

Gender of participants:

Male 81%

Female 19%

Education:

Illiterate 9%

Primary 20%

Intermediate 18%

Secondary 19%

Bachelor degree 15%

Associate degree 18%

Professional degree 1%

1)What was your reaction to Saddam Hussein's capture?

Overwhelming joy 59%

Shock and confusion 20%

Sadness 16%

None of my concern 5%

2)Are you personally convinced that it was really Saddam who was captured?

Yes 86.9%

No 13.1%

3)Do you think that Saddam deserves a fair trial?

Yes 84%

No 16%

4)Do you prefer that Saddam be tried by:

An Iraqi court? 60%

An Iraqi court with International advisors? 15%

An International court of justice? 25%

5)What is the fair judgement you believe Saddam deserves?

Execution 56%

Imprisonment 25%

Clemency 19%

6)What do you think a speedy trial of Saddam would achieve?

It would prevent an internal schism or conflict 45%

It would ensure security and stability 30%

It would increase chaos 14%

It would help end the occupation 10%

Others 1%

7)How do you think Saddam's capture would affect the resistance?

Decrease resistance activities 53%

Increase resistance activities 27%

Cessation of resistance 20%

8)How do you see Saddam's capture?

He surrendered without resistance 52.4%

He was drugged or anaesthetized 31.5%

He was taken by surprise 12.6%

Others 3.4%

9)Which is more important to you?

Providing security 54.9%

Providing fuel 35.8%

Saddam's capture 34.4%

Providing electricity 28.8%

Improving the economic situation 5.3%

10)Do you agree that those who suffered from the regime should be compensated?

Yes 12%

No 88%

11)How do you consider Saddam's policies and actions on the following issues:

A)The Iraq-Iran war:

Crime 77%

Justified action 23%

B)Invading Kuwait:

Crime 79%

Justified action 21%

C)Attacking Israel in 1991:

Crime 18%

Justified action 82%

D)Mass graves:

Crime 81%

Justified action 19%

E)Gasing the Kurds:

Crime 87%

Justified action 13%

F)Forced deportation:

Crime 82%

Justified action 18%

G)Killing religious and national figures:

Crime 83%

Justified action 17%

According to that 56% want him executed.

[SurlyPIG]

"11)How do you consider Saddam's policies and actions on the following issues:

A)The Iraq-Iran war:

Crime 77%

Justified action 23%

B)Invading Kuwait:

Crime 79%

Justified action 21%

C)Attacking Israel in 1991:

Crime 18%

Justified action 82%

D)Mass graves:

Crime 81%

Justified action 19%

E)Gasing the Kurds:

Crime 87%

Justified action 13%

F)Forced deportation:

Crime 82%

Justified action 18%

G)Killing religious and national figures:

Crime 83%

Justified action 17%

Big surprises there... ::)

[EWS]

Thanks very much mate, might spring new ideas to this topic!