Book censoring?

Terror · November 13, 2003

Hmmm k... i have a problem here. I read Dune in the past, with all the blood sucking in it (you know, hearplugs). And a month ago i bought myself this Dune book, though it seems it is a different version because there is absolutely NOTHING in it about the heartplug. In fact, the harkonnens in this book kinda look like the harkonnens in FHDune's miniseries... not by far as evil as i always thought.

How come? Did they make a censored version of Dune, and i bought that one? I hope anyone here knows something about this.

Atomic Mitten · November 13, 2003

Sounds like you got an English language German one.

Terror · November 13, 2003

aww, a dutch german one you mean? Still strange, wouldn't they note that somewhere in the book?

Atomic Mitten · November 13, 2003

Try comparing the ISBN number on the back cover.

Sounds like you bought a Bertelsman version, which is the main book importer in Europe.

Bertelsman group Gütersloh,NRW,Germany.

Andrew · November 13, 2003

As far as I know there is no such thing as heartplugs in the Dune books.(that is just from lynch movie) But I may be wrong as I havnt read the book in a while(christmas present this year I hope ;D)

Maybe the book you read is a book based on lynch movie?

Terror · November 13, 2003

Hmmm, i dunno. That was the first time i read it though, i got it from a friend. I actually liked that heartplug piece... When i read that version i really thought that the harks were evil. Now they seem.... nice.

Emperor Harkonnen · November 13, 2003

the harkonnens are more evil in the prequels than in Dune I think. Though in the game they are the coolest I think! ;D

Vanguard3000 · November 14, 2003

Heartplugs are like the wierding modules; they were never in the books.

And the Harkonnens are not supposed to be "evil" per se. They're just ambitious, and willing to use any means necessary to crush their enemies. Machiavellian, yes, but not evil.

That's one [more] of the downsides to the prequels. There's too much of a line between "good" and "bad" characters.

Mahdi · November 14, 2003

Heartplugs are like the wierding modules; they were never in the books.
And the Harkonnens are not supposed to be "evil" per se. They're just ambitious, and willing to use any means necessary to crush their enemies. Machiavellian, yes, but not evil.
That's one [more] of the downsides to the prequels. There's too much of a line between "good" and "bad" characters.

Vangaurd is right. Heartplugs were a creation of the movie. They did not exist in the books.

I'd say anyone who rapes young boys is evil, but yes, they are more machivellian than anythign else. The Baron even expresses regret about what he is doing to the atreides.

Terror · November 14, 2003

oww, damn... and i always thought that i had read that in the book. Well thanks guys.

Emperor Harkonnen · November 14, 2003

Machiavellian, thats an interesting word, please explain it.

and I think harkonen look upon themselves as evil

Vanguard3000 · November 14, 2003

Machiavellianism is based on a Florentine philosopher named Niccolo Machiavelli, who died around 1431, if memory serves. He wrote books about statecraft and politics, such as The Prince and The Art of War (not to be confused with Sun Tzu's manual of the same name). His philosophy was basically that a ruler should be willing to go to almost any length to acquire - and maintain - absolute power, even if it means using "cheap" tactics like sabotage, lying, espionnage, and betrayal of allies when they are no longer needed. At least one of his books (the Prince) was banned by Pope Clement VIII because of the controversial tactics.

Mahdi · November 14, 2003

Although there is some debate over whether he actually beleived in his writings, or if he just wrote them in order to get back in good favour with the court.

Inoculator9 · November 15, 2003

I personally do recall Dune including a tidbit about Thufir having a heartplug, and I'm almost a 100% on that.

Andrew · November 15, 2003

I don't seem to see it. But I thought he had some "disease" or something that will kill him or am I thinking about Lynch's dune again?

Mahdi · November 15, 2003

I personally do recall Dune including a tidbit about Thufir having a heartplug, and I'm almost a 100% on that.

Then you've got some serious memory problems. I suggest a catscan.

Jack Leaf · November 15, 2003

I don't seem to see it. But I thought he had some "disease" or something that will kill him or am I thinking about Lynch's dune again?

They poisoned him. Harkonnens gave him daily an anti-drug so Thufir couldn't escape or betray Harkonnens.

Inoculator9 · November 16, 2003

I know there was that aspect, but I'm still wary...

Terror · November 16, 2003

As am i. I still remember Thufir getting a heartplug when joining the harkonnens, and the baron sucking blood from a messenger boy who brought bad news (i think)

Jack Leaf · November 16, 2003

It was in the movie... :O

Emperor Harkonnen · November 16, 2003

I think that the harkonnens were more evil than machiavellian. but of course that is also a good word for them.

but I think a harkonnen wants to be evil. he wants to polute the planet of his the most. just to be evil

Caid Ivik · November 17, 2003

Well, in czech version there was no mention of heartplugs. I thought it was created by Lynch. Do you know where I can download original english Dune to compare it?

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