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[Caid Ivik]

Take a look at the symbol, and you will see.

Also, there is no difference between Catholic's overly-honoring Mary and the saints and worshipping them.

In fact, many indian totems are also cross-shaped. Maybe christians have taken it from them ::)

Also, do you think you are an expert in hierarchy of saints? You know, God is one, and He said that we may worship only Him. His ancient servants are only honored, we may pray directing to them, but i.e.we can't bring them sacrifices. I can't imagine someone dying for what he'd seen in Fatima, for example, that would be a heresy. Saints are only honored, St Mary is usually little more for she gave birth to Jesus, so she is considered as a human closest to God. But difference between honoring and worshipping is big.

[Terenas77]

Hi! Im Italian and I know really well what fascism brought to our country. A bloody, wrong ( and lost ;D) war, not counting the numerous people beated/murdered.

BTW, dear Edric O, you know me well. I used to post on the mighty Emperor-Network boards as Romanov77.

HERE I AM COMRADE!!! ;) What the hell happened to the our little message board?

[Sardauker-Kirov]

People seem to forget we're a SINGLE race.

We're called the HUMANS. So you call the creator of the sword or gun a copycat from the one who created gunpowder, which everyone could have invented??

Unless if you believe the 'bible'(Aka the Tower of Babylon) and think that humans are not comrades or are just different because their culture and skin is not the same, which the enviroment and heat of the sun influences.

If the earth had the same climate and if the enviroment was still the same, Africans wouldn't be black or have different craniums compared to most Europeans or Asian people.

Hence, even the culture would slightly differ talking towards that direction.

Probably Hitler just did it on occasion picking the symbol for his 'reich' and 'National Socialist Party' without knowing it.

As for Fascism, I don't really think it'll ever implent into the government EVER again. Except for the third world countries like Iraq, Iran, etc.

And yes, the SS logo seems to be from the Germanic tribes that used these ancient runes in witchcraft or whatsoever. Although, I don't know what the lightning formed runes really means.

[Edric O]

[off-topic: Greetings, comrade Terenas77! :) I'm afraid that the EmpNet forum suffered the same fate as EmpNet... Both of them were almost totally dead, and Sonic decided to shut them down.]

Sard-Kirov, I just want to say that I completely agree with you. And it's sad that so many people had to die in order for us to finally understand the horror of racism and ultra-nationalist madness...

[Acriku]

I think you mean we are a single species, not race. It's a little obvious that there is more than one race, and more than one 'population.'

[Sardauker-Kirov]

I think you mean we are a single species, not race. It's a little obvious that there is more than one race, and more than one 'population.'

So you consider Africans or Asians as a race? Doesn't sound that a bit fascist?

Fascists thought that those who are not white or European are different from them.

Maybe the DNA slightly differs from the Africans or Asians, big deal? Mother nature did her calling when humans settled in different regions in the world, all humans came originally from Africa(That's what they say)

The people who stayed in Africa, well you know. I don't really have to explain that one. ;D

[Acriku]

Why are you blindly believing that people are all the same, living under a big rainbow with teletubbies in the corner? We are different, get over it. Africans are a race (with races within), European caucasians are a race (with races within), etc. They each have genetically-transmitted traits specific to their race. Basic science here, people.

[Caid Ivik]

We are not same, just equal, to be sure. But that doesn't make no change, that people tend to make many inventions or discovers on various places at once. There are pyramides in Egypt, but also in China and Mexico, do you think they are copied? Or same with even more trivial things, i.e.agriculture, writing, mathematics... Once you will say our civilisation copied sex.

[Acriku]

We are also not equal. The only thing that we are not, is superior over anybody as a race.

[Sardauker-Kirov]

Why are you blindly believing that people are all the same, living under a big rainbow with teletubbies in the corner? We are different, get over it. Africans are a race (with races within), European caucasians are a race (with races within), etc. They each have genetically-transmitted traits specific to their race. Basic science here, people.

Traits as in what? If you ment in facial means then; We're suppose to look different? If everyone had the exact same genes, we would all look like the same.

As mentioned before, the SUN and enviroment has influence on the culture and looks of a person that lives in the climate.

For example, Mongolians has a pale/orange/yellow skin that can be compared with the Chinese. But still, many of them looks different in the means of colour.

Be so kind to point out the difference, because I never see anyone with a different culture and skin to be DIFFERENT at all.

The reason why some 'races' developed faster is because they had the luck with their side. Example: The Romans, Germanic tribes were always the warmongers in Europe and had no room for advancement through technology and culture as they kept fighting among themselves.

I'm not sure about the Italians, the only ones that truly fought were the corrupt politicians and centurions or whatever they exist out of.

[Acriku]

Traits as in melanin-composition, facial differences, whatever. The genetic traits are physical characteristics.

[alchemi2]

wow dont u guys get heated ::)

anyway heres my two penth,please ignore all spelling error lack of capitalization or correct grammer you dont have to like it but live with it.

the elite of nazi party were all into occultism hence the symbology and even part of the make up of the party.

all religons steal, borrow, use symbollogy from each other. if u celebrate festivals on same dates as older religons people will know when they are and cant attend both, as often happened as new religons got started or grew more popular.

remeber the vast majority in ancient times were illiterate so you had to use symbols.

even to day churches will use modern topics to draw in the crowds you cant preach or teach if no ones around.

as i under stand fascism part of the basic premise is one people one nation therefore obviously it must be racist, creedist and seperatist.

you cannot achieve racial purity without it being so and as eventually you would want the entire world to be in that one nation you would have to cull out those who oppose you.

the nazi werent particular anti semic they just used that as an excuse to cause disrest and direct aggression. at the time an elite number of jews controlled the media and had quite a strong powerbase in germany and were anti hitler. but as usual in these thing it was initially the poor working jews who bore the brunt of that hate and percicution.Dont forget all the gypsies,communists and slarves that were also executed.

Stalin and Hitler could have been twins but then again i often think the aims of the communist ideal and the fasist ideal are very similar. read that carefully i said IDEAL not talking about in practice.

Use an extigisher on Eldric0 quick. ;D

[Sardauker-Kirov]

Traits as in melanin-composition, facial differences, whatever. The genetic traits are physical characteristics.

And still, all humans are striving for the same goal. Bad or good, but that isn't the case.

Like I said before, the enviroment influences this all.

So what has melanin to do with race? So if I am purple coloured or orange coloured, am I a race then?

Gee, I certainly don't hope so.

*Sigh* Stalin wasn't COMMUNIST. He was a Stalinist, abusing the idea of Communism. He never ever achieved Communism in a long-shot.

[Acriku]

Of course the environment affects us, and consequently another race may peek its head above the gene pool. What's wrong with being another race? You seem to be offended by being a 'race.'

[Sardauker-Kirov]

I am not offended by it. I just don't see humans that have different skin colours as a race.

To me, they are still the same.

[Mahdi]

Technically, there is only one human race.

[Acriku]

I am not offended by it. I just don't see humans that have different skin colours as a race.

To me, they are still the same.

You just contradicted yourself. They have different skin, yet they are still the same? Which is it Kirov?

Mahdi, a race is defined by genetically-transferred characteristics. So, obviously a black person is a different race than a white person, as a black person does not have sex with another black person and have a white baby (unless the black lady isn't telling the black man everything).

[Mahdi]

I am not offended by it. I just don't see humans that have different skin colours as a race.

To me, they are still the same.

Mahdi, a race is defined by genetically-transferred characteristics. So, obviously a black person is a different race than a white person, as a black person does not have sex with another black person and have a white baby (unless the black lady isn't telling the black man everything).

No it isn't. A race is defined as a a group which can breed within itself. White people can breed with black people, therefore we are technically fo the same race.

Main Entry: 3race

Function: noun

Etymology: Middle French, generation, from Old Italian razza

Date: 1580

1 : a breeding stock of animals

an actually or potentially interbreeding group within a species;

[Acriku]

No, that's called a species :O

[Sardauker-Kirov]

I am not offended by it. I just don't see humans that have different skin colours as a race.

To me, they are still the same.

You just contradicted yourself. They have different skin, yet they are still the same? Which is it Kirov?

Mahdi, a race is defined by genetically-transferred characteristics. So, obviously a black person is a different race than a white person, as a black person does not have sex with another black person and have a white baby (unless the black lady isn't telling the black man everything).

Different skin doesn't make you different in the term RACE, once AGAIN; We are ONE race, species, or whatever you call it. We are ONE, there is no such thing as a sub-race, race, with the humans.

And as stated before, I don't see black people as different people. Maybe you do, but I don't. So there's nothing you can do to change my view on humans.

[Mahdi]

No, that's called a species :O

Guess what? The two are interchangable.

Definition of species:

c : the human race : human beings

[Acriku]

Kirov, if you see black people as white people, then you have problems. There is a difference, but you're choosing to not acknowledge it for some odd reason. I'm white, a black person is black. Whoop-die-doo.

Mahdi, guess what? That's just another person's opinion on what race means. Here's another person's opinion:

http://biotech.icmb.utexas.edu/search/dict-search.mhtml?bo1=AND&word=race&search_type=normal&def='s definition:

Group of organisms (all of the same species) that is genetically self-sustaining and isolated geographically or temporally during reproduction.

Black people are genetically self-sustaining, as black people (albeit albinos are an exception) make black babies. Same for white people. The only difference between most races found in the wild and races of the human species is that races interact with eachother in the human species. The concentration of melanin in black people is not the same as the concentration of white people because of their isolation of eachother, geographically (where the cultures spend different amounts of time in the sun, and where the sun hits differently and at a different amount).

[Andrew]

My definition of species:

1.(biology) taxonomic group whose members can interbreed

2. A specific kind of something

Definition of Race:

1. People who are believed to belong to the same genetic stock

2. (biology) a taxonomic group that is a division of a species; usually arises as a consequence of geographical isolation within a species

[Acriku]

Andrew, your definition is a very good definition, and specifically defines each one differently (i.e. not interchangeable).

[Mahdi]

Lol, I'm quoting dictoinaries and university textbooks written by high profile psychologists, sociologists, historians, and genetic scientists, and you say I'm wrong because you can find a quote from a buisnesses website that caters to high school students?

Good work, that'l change my mind ::)