Scary racist site

[Phage]

This site has to be one of the most vile I have seen online:

http://stormfront.org/

I mean blatant racism.

Check out the kids sections:

http://kids.stormfront.org

and this post especially:

http://www.stormfront.org/forum/threadid64862.php

To quote it:

First off, hello to everyone. This is my first post. I am very excited to contribute some thoughts to like-minded people. I apologize if I tread on territory covered in previous posts, but I am new, and hopefully among friends.

I wanted to emphasize a very interesting situation which has become increasingly clear to me over the last few months of learning and observing. The biggest enemy of Zionist Jews in this country are Muslims. Many of you have probably known this for quite some time. I see it very clearly in the diverse multicultural nightmare college I attend. The Muslim pro-Palestinian student faction is organized and passionate. I frequently see fliers advertising their rallies and such, which are always covertly anti-Israel & anti-Semitic. And let us not forget that the great modern jew incubator, Israel, the only place in the world where the Jewish population is not declining due to inter-marriage or low birth rates, is surrounded by over 100 million Jew hating Muslims.

Compare that figure with the population of Israel, under 10 million. Now, given that the Muslims, due to their state-sanctioned indoctrination, are the most willing to act to "neutralize the great aggressor people", we should declare solidarity with the Islamic world, and help figure out how this over 100 million mass can achieve victory, a permanent solution, to the spawn of satan, figuratively speaking of course. Suicide bombings are not going to bring "peace". Why don't we lend our wonderful Aryan creativity to our Muslim brothers and figure out some strategies, which we can then get to them (young American Muslim activists with ties to the Middle East are all over the web).

Consider the relationship of Jorg (sp?) Haider of Austria with Saddam Hussein. (see news.yahoo.com, search for Haider Austria)

On a side note, the most prominent individual in California looking to legalize pot and further destroy our country is one Ed Rosenthal. Hey, he's a Jew! What a coincidence.

And:

YES! Many do not agree with us, they say silly things like "muslims aren't white, i hate them" . . but I say "The enemy of my enemy is my friend", and majority of whites do not hate jews, but the majority of muslims do! Muslims are the ONLY people on earth who are actually fighting AGAINST the jews and ZOG! From Iraq and Syria to the USA, muslims are against zionism wherever they find it, they even traveled INTO iraq to fight against the american zog army!! lets see any white guys here do that! muslim nations are the only ones who are anti-semetic while countries like germany and america dish out billions to isreal!

Yes! Cast aside your differences...bigots of the world unite!

See even racists can be practical.

Nothing to lose but our humanity and respect for life.

[Phage]

Another gem from that thread:

But I always get the impression that the Muslims are incredibly incompetent in their war against Israel. For instance, they don't seem to be targetting the Israeli population strategically. While killing a 50 year old person may have some economic impact, killing a 76 year old grandmother has virtually no effect, in that she has already reproduced, as has the 50 year old. But if they focused their efforts on high schools, and colleges, they would be having a much more severe impact on the population

[Caid Ivik]

No need to look at skinheads:

http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/UN/unga3379.html

"RECALLING ALSO that, in its resolution 3151 G (XXVIII) of 14 December 1953, the General Assembly condemned, inter alia, the unholy alliance between South African racism and Zionism" -

[Timenn]

Although you are only quoting and judging this site. I would still prefer this to be taboo, because we have a rule here against rascists remarks. So quotes wouldn't be so good either.

In the Netherlands there is an organisation where you can report racism. I don't know the country of this site, but I think you can report racism there too.

Better if you reported that site there.

[Navaros]

Although you are only quoting and judging this site. I would still prefer this to be taboo, because we have a rule here against rascists remarks. So quotes wouldn't be so good either.

In the Netherlands there is an organisation where you can report racism. I don't know the country of this site, but I think you can report racism there too.

Better if you reported that site there.

i agree. under the veil of "speaking against racism", Phage is in fact doing nothing other than promoting the words/site of Racists. just like they want him to.

[TMA_1]

nav, go back to the ozarks and live with your other diliverance brothers. YOu are such a dunch dude.

[Acriku]

I disagree Navaros. He distinctly tells you that it is a quote from another site, and gives you links to the main websites. He is not promoting them, he's pointing them out to us.

[TMA_1]

Although you are only quoting and judging this site. I would still prefer this to be taboo, because we have a rule here against rascists remarks. So quotes wouldn't be so good either.

In the Netherlands there is an organisation where you can report racism. I don't know the country of this site, but I think you can report racism there too.

Better if you reported that site there.

Your a cool guy, and have a lot of Good opinions, I disagreewith you here though. I think you are boardering on legalism, and once you start mentally "book burning" and abolishing all information, including evil stuff, you are no better than any other constricter. know what I mean?

[Acriku]

TMA he didn't say what to do with the websites, he only told us his opinion of them and what they were. If he put a quote without telling us where it came from, then it'd be "taboo". But he distinctly makes it clear that it is from that site, not him, and that he disagrees with it.

[Phage]

That is ridiculous. Merely quoting a site you are crticizing does not mean you are promoting it. Holocaust scholars quote Adolph Hitler....that mean they are promoting Hitler? The White House quotes Osama, that mean they are promoting Osama?

I mean do you guys really think someone is going to join storm front after reading this thread? Does knowing their murderous intentions help them more or harm them?

All in all the above merely suggests subverting the truth of the matter on the basis of "not promoting" them.

[Dunenewt]

One thing that annoys me that is everyone runs down the Jews and blames them for everything when in truth most of the problems ARE caused by the Palistians

[Phage]

I totally agree Dunenewt. Though this is a bit off topic I remember one quasi-joke entitled "how to be an arafat apologist".

Which basically said whenever you see a Palestinian suicide bomber take out a crowd, just get real somber and shake your head saying "that poor guy, he had no choice."

[Dude_Doc]

Pretty ironic: One of my old school-mates hated the Jews very much. He was a Muslim. Right after I finished "school", I started to hear rumours. Then the rumours became facts. He was in cahoots with the neo-Nazis. Although, I never really was his friend, but still... it gets one thinking...

[TMA_1]

wait a second, I was saying that he shouldnt be attacked for it acriku, good grief what are you thinking? lol

At my college there is a large palistinian exchange of students. It started after nine eleven go figure. The thing is most of them hate the jewish state with a passion, most there even hated the jews as a people. The jews dont have any ohter recourse usally other than to fight for their life, I think that many western nations put too much pressure on israel to do things that could potentially destroy it.

[Dunenewt]

IMHO Israel should be allowed nukes and should receive way more support from NATO.

[Navaros]

That is ridiculous. Merely quoting a site you are crticizing does not mean you are promoting it.

quoting it and posting links to it *IS* promoting it. do you know *anything* at all about sales/marketing? not just of products or services, but of ideas too. it's all the same concept.

any time you post a link to a site, that in itself is promoting it. it is known as "Branding". like how you see Ads on the Boards of Sporting Arenas (ie: during an NHL hockey game) - those Ads do not directly try to sell you anything at all. they just show the company logo and nothing else.

because just showing you the name and logo leaves an impression in the head everyone who sees it. that alone is enough to sell the products, services, or ideas of the entity being Branded.

by posting links to Racist sites, you are in fact promoting those Racist sites. anyone who knows the slightest thing about selling, marketing, or human psychology will realize this.

[Edric O]

Stormfront has got to be one of THE most disgusting, repulsive, filthy piles of dung to ever disgrace the internet with their presence.

Oh yes, I knew about it for a long time. Communists from all over the internet have declared war on these nazi bastards. If you browse the Stormfront forums, you will see several topics in which communists or socialists try to reason with these fanatics, but with no success...

As a general rule, however, I never post links to this sort of sites on forums where young children might see them. That is why I really think that this topic should be moved to the dungeon. Phage did not do anything wrong, but we never know who might be browsing this forum and seeing this topic. I don't want to feel responsible if these murderous maniacs brainwash another naive kid into joining them...

[Edric O]

Especially supported by in that time world's most famous cannibal and third world leader, president of Uganda, prototype of communistic antisemitist, Idi Amin...

This has gone far enough, Caid! The fact that you would even suggest that we communists are anti-semitic or have ANYTHING to do with those murderous racist scum goes beyond offensive. >:(

It was the Communists who were Hitler's sworn enemies and who cried out first against the danger he represented for the entire civilized world.

It was the Communists who were the only German Party ready to sacrifice anything - even their own lives - to stop the rising tide of nazism.

It was the Communists who were rounded up by the Nazis and shot on the spot or imprisoned side by side with the Jews.

It was the 6 million members of the pre-1933 German Communist Party who suffered the most brutal repression under Hitler's murderous regime, their sufferings being second only to those of the Jews.

It was millions of honest Russian Communists who turned the tide of World War 2 by beating back the Nazis at Stalingrad, and who survived the de-humanizing mass torture known as the siege of Leningrad without surrendering.

It was the blood of millions of Communists who bought Europe its freedom from the Fascist nightmare.

And it was the Communist flag that was raised as the symbol of victory over the ashes of the 3rd Reich.

Think about that next time before you open your mouth. If it wasn't for Communism, right now you'd be a proud member of Hitlerjung, learning to march in line, hate Jews, and sing odes to the Fatherland.

[Caid Ivik]

It was democratic Czechoslovakia, which was the first main enemy of Germany.

Uprisings were hold by communists only partially. It is usual propaganda to say they did everything with support of batuska Stalin. Uprising in Slovakia was led by burgeois generals, which were de facto betrayed by Russians.

Not only communists were jailed. However, many other Jews were imprisoned with former nazis. Again an example from my homeland, Rudolf Slansky, Jew with a high post in Party.

All other parties were oppressed, not only commies. But anyway, they were the first larger "enemy of regime", so they were a good point of Hitler's demagogy. If there was no communism, there would be no Hitler.

Not millions of communists, but millions of Russians, Americans, English, French, Polish and many more. Not every Russian is a communist. Wonder why Konev vanished from scene after war?

It was flag of a new brutal regime: flag of gulag, starvations and a new militaristic regime, which nearly led the the world to much worse form of holocaust, nuclear war. Nothing has changed. Only svastika was replaced by a red star.

If your regime, which had no problem with sacrificing 20 million people by their inferior military tactics, would exist today, we would be proud members of SZM, also learning to march in line, hating not only Jews, but whole West, and also singing odes to our fatherland, like Stalin's favourite Sojuz Nerusimyj...

[Edric O]

I never said Communists were alone or that they did everything on their own; only that they played a leading role in opposing Hitler, a role which you conveniently forget.

It's easy to say that "Nazism would not have existed without Communism". But then again, Communism would not have existed without Capitalism. And Capitalism would not have existed without Feudalism... And if we go on like this, we'll conclude that Nazism would not have existed without the human species, so it's really all Humanity's fault for existing in the first place. ::)

I specifically said millions of communists, not tens of millions. There were tens of millions of Russians; it's reasonable to assume that at least some of them were communists.

The flag and everything it stood for was betrayed by Stalin's murderous regime. But Stalin's evil cannot and will not be allowed to corrupt the flag of the people. Just like the likes of McCarthy and Bush cannot corrupt the true meaning of the flag of the USA.

You are a fool if you say that nothing has changed after the war. Stalinism was an evil system, yes, but Stalin was a saint compared to Hitler.

And if those 20 million people had NOT given their lives, the Soviet Union would have fallen, and they would all have died anyway, in Nazi death camps. You can blame Stalin for a lot of things, but the USSR's poor technology at the start of the war was not his fault. Russia had been way behind the West since the time of the Tsars!

I also think it's funny how you blame the Soviet Union for "bringing the world close to nuclear war" (one of the great lies of capitalist propaganda), when in the early 1960's, America had hundreds of long-range nuclear missiles aimed at the USSR, while the Russians had less than 20. America NEVER lost its immense lead in nuclear weapons production.

And finally, let's get one thing straight: Stalinism is NOT "my regime". I spit on Stalin's name. But for all his wrongdoings, Stalin did one good thing: Together with his western allies, he was the one who rid the world of Nazism.

[Edric O]

You know, Caid, I just realized something: I am a communist and you are a capitalist, while this topic is about nazis. Wouldn't it make far more sense if put aside our differences to fight the common enemy of all the civilized world?

[leo]

One thing that annoys me that is everyone runs down the Jews and blames them for everything when in truth most of the problems ARE caused by the Palistians

It has been like that all the time. ppl always searched some1 to blame, most of the time the victim was the jews. The situation today is not much different then it was.

I know that i can't be neutral cause i'm from Isreal but i live in this country and i see all the lies of the palestinians, all the hate against the jews both from the Arab world and from many European countries. U have no idea how pleasnt is to hear ppl like u, I hope the world wud make decisions based on truth and not on interests.

P.S

About the nukes, we have them for over 30 years 8)

that's one of the main reasons Israel still exists today(more reasons are the US support and a strong army|).

[Caid Ivik]

EdricO, I don't call myself a capitalist, I call myself a conservative christian democrat. I don't have to fight against opposers. My cause is just to show silently, that my way is moraly better and more beneficial.

20 million dead Russians weren't inevitable. Stalin murdered whole army command. And if Germans would conquer Moscow...well, don't forget USA had nukes near completion. You say you don't agree with Stalin; then don't defend his "art of war". Russia fought to reclaim our countries for their own, not for liberty.

Positive on stalinism is that you had a chance to resist: if you fully converted to his thoughts. You could live at least as a slave.

[Phage]

quoting it and posting links to it *IS* promoting it. do you know *anything* at all about sales/marketing? not just of products or services, but of ideas too. it's all the same concept.

Well aren't we arguing in circles....

because just showing you the name and logo leaves an impression in the head everyone who sees it.

Yeah a bad impression. Like Holocaust footage, not exactly like Schindler's list wanted to make me join the SS.

by posting links to Racist sites, you are in fact promoting those Racist sites. anyone who knows the slightest thing about selling, marketing, or human psychology will realize this.

Or people that pretend to know a lot about psychology.

The Nazis showed a lot of footage and talked a lot about Jews too....doesn't mean Judaism became more popular.

The fact is such things exist and will be seen whether you want them to or not. You can either ignore them at your own peril, or bring them out in the open, in all their ugliness for criticism.

[Phage]

Stormfront has got to be one of THE most disgusting, repulsive, filthy piles of dung to ever disgrace the internet with their presence.

Oh yes, I knew about it for a long time. Communists from all over the internet have declared war on these nazi bastards. If you browse the Stormfront forums, you will see several topics in which communists or socialists try to reason with these fanatics, but with no success...

Well while I myself and not a communist or socialist, I'm glad they are arguing with the WN's. Being "anti's".

And don't fret it. Perhaps you guys look like you don't have success, and the bigoted shouts seem to indicate. But if you argue well enough you will slowly effect their morale, slowly start planting doubts and sway people on the sidelines, confused types that are uncertain and would otherwise only hear one side on the issues.