Netherlands opens first "deportation center" for immigrants

[Gobalopper]

Netherlands opens first "deportation center" for immigrants

Should *illegal* immigrants and asylum seekers be treated this way? And do the Netherlands have a big problem with illegal immigrants right now?

[Terror]

well... i do have a problem with "illegal" immigrants. I mean, go and be illegal somewhere else... go to england or whatever, the netherlands already is the most crouded country in europe, and nr 6 on worldscale i think. I mean.. immigrants are fine.. but only legal ones.

[DukeLeto]

I try to be open minded about foreigners, but I hate illegal immigrants with a passion. Living in Florida, I'm surrounded by these lazy bums from Cuba who move here and:

1)Refuse to laern English

2)Refuse to teach their children English

3)Expect us to learn Spanish for them

They're the reason the school system is so inundated with kids who know no English, they're the cause of a lot of crimes and road accidents (Just look at a police report from down here. At LEAST 50% of the suspects listed will be hispanics), and they're just generally rude and, sometimes, downright mean.

I honestly think more people in France know English than do in Florida. >:(

[zamboe]

It seems that Netherlands are just leading the discriminatory practices in the first world. Those practices and deportation centers are just racist practices in order to intimidate minorities.

DukeLeto, all the comments you made are precisely racist, I can't find any other word to explain them.

[Acriku]

ROFL so a government is bigoted towards criminals? I guess I am, too.

[ordos45]

Actually Zamboe, he has at least one point legally. Part of immigrating to the United States is a requirement you be able to speak and read and write in English.

[zamboe]

Actually Zamboe, he has at least one point legally. Part of immigrating to the United States is a requirement you be able to speak and read and write in English.

Ordos, I don't question the subject I question the way Duke expressed his opinion.

[SurlyPIG]

When did he even say race was a part of it? He comments were referring solely to illegal Cuban immigrants. Not Hispanics, not Cubans, not immigrants, not Cuban immigrants, illegal Cuban immigrants. The reference to hispanics was part of police information releases, and that's a) not his doing and b) completely appropreate. Imagine turning on your TV and hearing, "The suspect is described as Dutch, approximately 190 cm tall and weighs about 100 kg." In this context, what does 'Dutch' mean anyway? Could mean any race, could mean his accent, but he might not even have a dutch accent. Duke might not have put it in the most courteous of ways but he was actually being politically correct...

[zamboe]

Obviously we don't agree at what point certain comments or opinions cross the line to became racism and discrimination. Maybe you expect a direct approach to put it in that category, I don't.

[SurlyPIG]

What makes you think he discriminates based on his opinion?

[zamboe]

I hate illegal immigrants with a passion.

"With passion", need to say more ?

, just a paper (in this case the green card) makes the difference between intense hate and indifference. I really don't know how you would classified it under.

[Acriku]

I guess you don't understand that they are in the U.S. illegally without that card...

[zamboe]

I guess you don't understand that they are in the U.S. illegally without that card...

You guess wrong, anyway coming from you Acriku it really doesn't surprise me.

[Terror]

well... the points dukeleto brought were definetly right. I think that if an immigrant comes here. I expect them to learn dutch.. and not start their own little country IN THE NETHERLANDS! Though i have many foreign friends, i am glad that our goverment tightens the rules, to slow down the stream of immigrants.

Also if you come here, you should add something to our society that every normal person does. Work, or at least try to do something useful. Not just sitting on a couch and receiving money from the government (same goes for unemployed people btw who can work but just don't WANT to, but they do want money fromt the government, ofcourse people who can't work are a totally different matter).

So all in all, all LEGAL immigrants are welcome, as long as they don't come in with too many, and as long as they are willing to join our society. I do not care if they hold on to their traditions and religions. But at least try to cooperate with the native inhabitants. Otherwise i think they are just being rude, and ask to be removed.

[Timenn]

Netherlands opens first "deportation center" for immigrants

Should *illegal* immigrants and asylum seekers be treated this way? And do the Netherlands have a big problem with illegal immigrants right now?

That is why I'm shamed of living in the Netherlands some times.

People can be so stupid here. They vote for parties who want to do these things, just because they are too stupid to think what for effect it will have.

Somehow there is created the illusion that all asylum seekers are lazy, and that they don't want to learn Dutch, and that they profit of the government's money.

F*ck those who think that!

It's easy to blame such people of all things. Do you know why the Netherlands are crowded? Because rich people are taking up too much room. They want 2 cars, so more highways are needed. And they have too much garbage too fit in the current garbage heaps. They use too much electricity, so more power plants are needed. They want to fly too often, so bigger airports are needed. ETC.!!!

And all the space we need for those luxuries, we don't want to share with people who come as fugitive, or they died of hunger in their own country (because we don't give that country a fair chance on the market).

The Netherlands aren't crowded with USED space, they are crowded with RESERVED space!

Of course there are some lazy immigrants, but alot of people don't learn Dutch for example, because there aren't enough teachers available.

This is one sick world. Giving all the crap to abondoned people, and giving them the blame for it.

So get lost LPF! get lost CDA,! get lost VVD! !! (the parties who act this way)

And Flameweaver, people don't WANT to emigrate, they HAVE to!

[Terror]

timenn... we're talking about ILLEGAL immigrants here. And yes ofcourse most immigrants do learn dutch and get a normal job etc.. But it's not just me... even my Egyptian and turkish friends agree that quite a bit immigrants just don't want to work, don't want to change, only to fight and abuse the dutch society. They don't give a FUCK about us, now IMO those people can just FUCK themselves and leave. This is not where i voted for

[SurlyPIG]

"With passion", need to say more ?

, just a paper (in this case the green card) makes the difference between intense hate and indifference. I really don't know how you would classified it under.

And that makes it racist? It's not the card, it's being a legal immigrant or an illegal one. Trying to learn English, or not. Working, or not. It's a regular occurrance that people sneak over the border and live in little sub-cultures, never learn English, never have official jobs and therefore never pay taxes.

[zamboe]

"With passion", need to say more ?

, just a paper (in this case the green card) makes the difference between intense hate and indifference. I really don't know how you would classified it under.

And that makes it racist? It's not the card, it's being a legal immigrant or an illegal one. Trying to learn English, or not. Working, or not. It's a regular occurrance that people sneak over the border and live in little sub-cultures, never learn English, never have official jobs and therefore never pay taxes.

Therefore, should I understand that you consider hate ilegal inmigrants with a passion reasonable too ?

[Terror]

Zamboe.. let's say you move to France... do you think that those people would accept you if you did not speak french, did not work. did NOTHING useful there, except for taking money from the government, and perhaps steal something as you don't have anything else to do anyway.

[SurlyPIG]

Therefore, should I understand that you consider hate ilegal inmigrants with a passion reasonable too ?

LOL

No. No hate whatsoever. Just a feeling that they should either conform to the law like everybody else, or return to their nation of origin one way or another.

[zamboe]

Then how come you accept DukeLeto remarks ?

[SurlyPIG]

Because (I'm assuming) he hates other kinds of criminals as well. It's not like he hates this particular brand of lawbreakers for a racial reason. In his posts he never referred out of context to any ethnic group, just to illegal immigrants (Cubans specifically). I'm sure he would hate me if I moved to Florida illegally, was a drain on society and refused to speak American English by spelling colour with a u and always saying couch instead of chesterfield or sofa. Or pop/soft drink instead of soda. ;)

Do I agree with it? No. I think some illegal immigrants are just ignorant of regulations and customs. Others, I think, have all the knowledge and potential but are lazy and should be deported. But I do hate murderers, theives, and people who drive like assholes, so I am understanding and waive it off with a look from his perspective (empathy). I might hate illegal immigrants too if I were as effected by them as people in his are are. Imagine thinks from his perspective.

Better yet, you've mentioned that the huge majority of people in South America are resentful towards Americans. I'm assuming that's because of seeing so much of it shoved down your throats on a regular basis. Every day seeing American businesses at the top of South American markets. Seeing American ads, TV, sports on a constant basis. Having their music and celebrities waved in your face 'till the cows come home. And then, logging on to forums like these, reading the posts of American members and seeing that the street is one-way. Don't try to tell me that it's never annoyed you, or that at least, that people in your country find it extremely annoying.

My country's solution to overwhelming American media was Canadianizing the market with regulations. eg your magazine must have xx% Canadian content. You follow the guidelines or the market is closed. You follow the rules or you stay in the US. As such, the solution to being overwhelmed by immigration and the subsequent cultural loss is regulation. You follow the rules or you don't get in the US. Duke hates the people who breaks these rules. How is that a crime? (unless of course he acts on that, but, really... ::) )

[Sardauker-Kirov]

"With passion", need to say more ?

, just a paper (in this case the green card) makes the difference between intense hate and indifference. I really don't know how you would classified it under.

And that makes it racist? It's not the card, it's being a legal immigrant or an illegal one. Trying to learn English, or not. Working, or not. It's a regular occurrance that people sneak over the border and live in little sub-cultures, never learn English, never have official jobs and therefore never pay taxes.

Therefore, should I understand that you consider hate ilegal inmigrants with a passion reasonable too ?

Um, I suppose I'm a racist too.

Because I hate having my country getting loaded by immigrants?

You might as well hate all Dutch people, because we're all fed up with them.

Like Leto says, illegal immigrants are making part of Illegal activities; Including Vandalism, Protesting, Riots, Theft, Drugs etc etc and the list goes on.

Alot of people that comes from Turkey, Morroco, Spain, Poland and some other countries are getting beat up by Dutch people on street.

If they don't follow the rules or misbehave in Holland, then they should leave, before WE take matters in our own hands.

The Goverment maybe calls our Culture 'multi-cultural'

But do we choose this? No, we don't.

Why? I've stated the reasons above, they are a cause of alot of problems.

I've talked with my friends about this (Which comes from a other country)

And you know what they say?

They admitted that the Illegal immigrants causes alot of trouble.

And myself knows this too.

Not all people are bad, but a large percentage of them is bad.

[nampigai]

Kirov I think you are completely wrong when you say a large percentage, IMO it's the few that destroys it for the many, you are generalising.

As for the deportation centres I think we have similar centres in Denmark. I'm not sure what I think about illegal immigrants, the green card solution seem to me the best idea, a system we here in Denmark only now has got our eyes open for.

[zamboe]

Because (I'm assuming) he hates other kinds of criminals as well. It's not like he hates this particular brand of lawbreakers for a racial reason. In his posts he never referred out of context to any ethnic group, just to illegal immigrants (Cubans specifically).

I never debate based on assumptions of a third person. You assuming thinks just to start a rant against my personal view is just.......well......******. This is very similar to when navaros insisted in making a statment about your incident in a electronic shop, he made up a whole bs history, only based on assumptions.

Btw, in his post (Duke) he started refering of Cuban Group, could have been as well mexican or others. Besides, the phrase "hate with a passion" is enough proff to know racist behavior.

I'm sure he would hate me if I moved to Florida illegally, was a drain on society and refused to speak American English by spelling colour with a u and always saying couch instead of chesterfield or sofa. Or pop/soft drink instead of soda. ;)

Racist mainly look down third world inmigrants. He wouldn't hate you.

I might hate illegal immigrants too if I were as effected by them as people in his are are.

How are they affected ?, so you it's just a matter of time that you start feeling hate for inmigrants, no further comment to that.

Better yet, you've mentioned that the huge majority of people in South America are resentful towards Americans.

DO NOT PUT WORDS IN MY MOUTH.

I've never said Americans. Jesus.

I've said First world citizens and NorthAmericans (exclude Mexico).

Let's say a Brazilian comes to Chile, Brazilians are Americans too (wheater you like it or not), they are most welcome, in this very season many Brazilians come to Chilean winter resorts, and not a single complain have been, we welcome them with open arms and they are american too.

I'm assuming that's because of seeing so much of it shoved down your throats on a regular basis. Every day seeing American businesses at the top of South American markets. Seeing American ads, TV, sports on a constant basis. Having their music and celebrities waved in your face 'till the cows come home. And then, logging on to forums like these, reading the posts of American members and seeing that the street is one-way. Don't try to tell me that it's never annoyed you, or that at least, that people in your country find it extremely annoying.

First US and Canadian (same thing) business come here to get money not do any favor. Besides with a few exceptions just a few US and Canadian corporation are leading the SA main markets, presence of European corporations are way much important, besides huge USA companies came here and failed big time and ended up being brought by local companies, such as Home Depot, JCPenney, Sam's, ATT, Wendy's, McDonalds in some SA countries, they all came and failed now are gone.

The reason I log in this open forum is not your business, if you haven't noticed yet there are members (US included) that agree with me in many areas, so what you call "one way street" is not true. I haven't feld annoyed by this thing, in fact I do this in order to have my mind open to different opinions and views, same reason I leard other languages, I would see it worst people loggin only in english-first world forums and be mind closed to the rest of the world just to avoid be annoyed.

I can help to write that that the "perfectly clear" statment you made a few days ago, it doesn't look clear to me anymore.

Duke hates the people who breaks these rules. How is that a crime?

Who said racists are criminals, some of them maybe were in the past, but that's not the case.