Muad'Dib's Church??

[Emperor Harkonnen]

I read something about Muad'Dib's Church on page 234 in Children of Dune. How come it is Church and not Temple for instanse? but this do mean that there is some christian influense in the religion of Muad'Dib

[Caid Ivik]

I was wondering it too, more because Church organisation is written in slovak as "Cirkev", what is directly derived from Christ's name. Latin version would have "Christus Muad'Dibus"... ;D

[Emperor Harkonnen]

really does the word curch come from christ??

[Zopwx2]

church temple whatever. A big religous orginazation devoted to muad'dib.

[Tio_Holtzmann]

I always thought the word church came from the Scottish/ancient celtish languages word Kirk which means circle. Tis a pagan link with stone circles. Worship sites, like. Much of the old churchy stuff in the British Isles has strong pagan influences. Weird irony there.

[Mahdi]

If church is based on Christ, it sin't very surprising. Remember, Christ isn't Jesus name, it's the shortform of his title, Christus, meaning the Saviour, the Redeemer. Paul is the Fremen Saviour, so it isn't to far fetched to call him there christus too.

[Caid Ivik]

Anyway, word "church" has more descriptions today, we have for example Church of Satan, which has nothing with Jesus or redemption as well...

[Tio_Holtzmann]

Too right, although I suppose we're talking about derivations and not definitions here.

Ah semantics (or is it semiotics)? :)

[Emperor Harkonnen]

I think maybe it comes from that word Kirk. Cos in norwegian church is called Kirke...so that explains some

[Edric O]

The word obviously comes from different things in different languages.

For example, in Romanian it's "Biserica", which comes from the Latin "Basilica".

[TMA_1]

edric my man! your posting here! hehe keep it up! we need cool people like you here.

not saying anything against all of you regular posters here, but you must admit, we are the dorks of the site.hehehehe :D

[Emperor Harkonnen]

ehe maybe you tma :P

[Davidu]

That's the weird thing Edric, we've got the latin form: basillica - biserica, while the rest of the latinity has the greek term of "iglesia".

[Tio_Holtzmann]

As I've said before on other posts, TMA, the regular posters aren't dorks, they're dedicated. Someone like the Bene Gesserits would be proud of that, now if we can just put the same efforts into bearing daughters instead of sons...

<Concentrates intensely>

[Davidu]

Whatta? Techincally I'm a male so I cannot bare children.

If you can, Tio, well, that's spooky. :O

[nemafakei]

Spanish uses both iglesia and basilica, French prefers

[Davidu]

SO? Tio was a woman? Or a freak? :D

[Tio_Holtzmann]

Hey, hey, hey! That was a joke? Do I have to use the smileys to signify everything? >:( ;)

Maybe there's some things the Kwisatz Haderach (ME!) can do that others cannot.

Nema, you're right about the church being the institution, I belong to the Church of Ireland, which is a collection of Irish Protestant churches. Not necessarily one specific building. And anyway, technically a church is a people, not a building.

Tio Holtzwomann, I like it.

And I am male, just to clear things up. Or make things worse.

[Tio_Holtzmann]

Noticed anything different yet? ;-)

[Davidu]

Tio_Holtzwoman - well, that sure is original. ;D

[nemafakei]

Well, my OED tells me that it comes from Greek: kuriakon ('place of the lord'). I'm not sure. But church definitely means both the building and the community of believers.