Sion Conspiracy

[SurlyPIG]

kinda like we do now with Islam?

Hardly. It's more the other way around. We are virtually problem-free compared to most Islamic-ruled nations.

[TMA_1]

wait a second namp, you dont need education to know when you are being used. give the muslim population in the middle east some credit.

[Caid Ivik]

Maybe someone WANTS Jews and Arabs to hate each other, for some unknown reason?

Some kind of a next round of conspirology, eh? In Koran we can see it very well WHY they do so. But even before. Arabs cannot accept that Moses written that they are descendants of Abraham's servant...

[Dude_Doc]

the jews and arabs dont need any help from outside influences to hate eachother.lol there is just an extreme hatred and bitterness between the two.

Okay. So if you are a black man, and I am a white man, I don't need a reason to hate you, like you don't need to have a reason to hate me?

[Egeides]

Jews have a culture that brings them to be good workers, as it is the case of Protestants (compared to Catholicism) or Chinese.

I don't know all these conspiracies theories and all, but I know Jews historically placed themselves as very worthy workers, which brang its elite to be prosperous. To this scheme, you can apply what it gives when humans get power and money: a part will get corrupt and bring corrupt people with them.

It's like big corporations: it's not because many of them do bad things that it's the case of the entire humanity. With Jews, same: it's not because some with power got corrupted that it has anything to do with Jews in general. But you'll always see some people that will generalize.

But all this doesn't mean that everything is controled by anyone: those with money and power will only have a stronger influence, as it've always been through history (money = power).

[Hawat]

Caid: forget the "jewish" in front of conspiracies... i meant conspiracies in general, i remember you talking about the "Thule Gesellschaft". Meant not to offend you :)

[Dude_Doc]

Bah, the Thule's died a long time ago.

[Caid Ivik]

Egeides, it was a catholic motto, that Ora et labora... But anyway, about your point. Conspirology is based on a possibility of a cartel between these influental persons, creating some "hidden hand", main leading organisation. I can say it started in full scale with Freemasonry and when Napoleon made an "ethnical parliament" for Jews (Sanhedrin). People saw all influental persons in one hall - and that was enough for considering it as a "conspiracy".

Nearly all members of Thule Gesellschaft were members of NSDAP. I wouldn't call it a conspiracy; maybe an internal wing inside NSDAP, which was looking for a mythical properties to make some "nazi culture". It wasn't considered as a "hidden hand" behind the party, maybe some kind of "spiritual father".

[Dude_Doc]

The Thule Geheimschaft is well known. About everyone know that Himmler was in it. The only "conspiracy" that one could call it is that the Thules "helped" Hitler to the top. And since even Hitler got, at least, some interest in mysticism, I think we can draw a line between the two. Anyhow, I don't think that matters anymore since, as I said, both the Thules and Nazis were destroyed. I mean, let's say the Thules survived. They are racists, the whole bunch of 'em. So, what if a super-intelligent, Einstein-resurrection suddenly were found. This guy is black! Of course they won't contact him and tell him to join, because they have their stupid "race-rules". An intelligent person can be VERY useful in the conquest of the world. That's why they wouldn't succeed anyways...

[Egeides]

What's NSADP?

And besides, we have a problem with the word "conspiracy". To me, taken directly, tobaco companies did some conspiracies and politics of all countries are swimming in conspiracies: influence networks, etc. Machiavel is the conspiracy master and is teached in politic courses, in universities.

So what are we calling "conspiracy" here? Organization with a goal hidden from the public? There are alot of conspiracies if it's what it is, as there was through all history...

PS: Dune_Doc, whattever if Thule survived, the fact is that these kind of organizations exist in human history (Thule existed so...). Power networks always existed also. So where are the ones that exist now and what are we really able to know about them without going in speculation or unassured facts?

[Anathema]

NSDAP stands for Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei, the Nazi party.

[Dude_Doc]

So where are the ones that exist now and what are we really able to know about them without going in speculation or unassured facts?

Why do they have to be official? Isn't it better to make entertainment instead? Look. If I had a secret group, that was trying to control the world, I would disinform the public. The whole sentence "Global Domination" is, in a way, pretty unrealistic, and many people would dismiss such a thought. But think about it. Think of all the books and movies about a secret organisation that is trying to take over the world. Many people would of course believe that such an idea is just pure sci-fi, while it is not. Then, if someone had indeed been contacted by such an organisation, and told the world about it, they would just be treated like insane people, because people would already know that the organisation is sci-fi because they said so in the X-Files, which is pretty much sci-fi.

Anyways. As for now, these are the more "known" groups, all wich works behind the scene, some official, others not. First we have the Illuminati. They are the ultimate invisible hand that controls the world. For what reason, I do not know.

Under Illuminati, we have Majestic 12. Operates in the USA. They are responsible for the coverup of the crashed UFO in Roswell, 1947 (well, if there ever was a UFO and aliens). They are also operating with both medical and mechanical things, cures and robotics/computer-tech, all which has not yet been released (a company always have newer things in store, they just want to gain as much as possible on the current product).

Next to it, we have the Bildenberg group/society, which operates (here) in Europe. They are responsible for the "one-currency", the Euro, which will make Europe easier to control financially. Well, actually, they are also concerned with all kind of financial stuff.

Then we have some subgroups to these, the Rochilds and the Rockafellers. You can actually check them up. I think the Freemasons also had something in common with them.

[Caid Ivik]

Era of Reneissance is called "illuminated" by secular historics, because in this time started the "era of scientific domination". About this wrote one man a book called Illuminati, about a secret group, which started whole process. But there was no evidence something like it ever existed. Why it even should, all countries needed technology for wars, so they had enough causes for progress even without some "hidden hand".

If there was ever a cartel between wealthy houses like Rothschilds and Rockafellers, I wouldn't say its goal was to "conquer the world". Business is a thing of flexibility, where everything chaotic is for advantage of bigger company, which has more resources to find legislative holes. That's why they usually oppose things like euro. For example, speculations with strengthening liber and weakening mark are now impossible - and weren't such ways a source of Rothschild's wealth?

Freemasonry is a legend as well. They always tried to look as a charity organisation, altough it was something like a scientologic sect with weird geometric rituals. As many people couldn't understand them, they created myths about them. Well known Church of Scientology was founded maybe because Hubbard found Freemasonry wasn't as powerful as he thought. Now scientologers try to become a "hidden hand", just they try to do it with grace and everyone sees it, so they are nearly persecuted. Worst conspirology is such, which exists and shows the world its existence.

[Sardauker-Kirov]

In Holland, people uses the 'jew' slang for insults. But same goes for the English I guess.

Anyways, I have no problem against jews, they're human beings, just like us. Maybe they have a small country and a messed up 'president/premier'

so what? -- Just because one person is bad, doesn't mean the whole country has to stink.

And I seriously doubt that the jews can takeover the world with minor communities.

Some of them might have a strong influence, so what?

[Sneakgab]

The most worrying type of conspiracy would be one that is protected by several shields/webs of lies and deceit from everybody who knows anything about it, therefore making it impossible for somebody not involved to ever crack the conpsiracy... You know the kind of conspiracy that every one is on except you :O :O :O ;D ;D ;D

[Caid Ivik]

Such thing is VERY usual in whole world, even now in Slovakia we have now a "little-group affair" ;D

[NeoLogiX]

Some briefs;

THE LONGEST HATRED -An Examination of Anti-Gentilism, Jane Birdwood

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".. In a remarkable work published by John Robison, M.A., in 1789 entitled Proofs Of A Conspiracy Against All Religions And Governments Of Europe is the following statement by the Abbé Baruel concerning The Illuminati: “In the desires of a terrible and formidable sect, you have only reached the first stages of the plans it has formed for that general revolution which is to overthrow all thrones, all altars, annihilate all property, efface all laws and end up by dissolving all society”.

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Link from here;

http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/hatred.htm

[Sneakgab]

You're all just computer programs desighned to reply to me and make me think that their is an outside world! :O :O ;D NOOOOO!... I'm just a lab experiment... If I ever leave my programmed confines I will be deleted!!! ARGH NOOO! :O ;D