emprworm Posted April 14, 2003 Posted April 14, 2003 But how do you think we Christians feel when atheists call us filthy subhuman trash because of the murders commited centuries ago by people we have nothing to do with?Well there is no need to fight fire with fire if you find someone annoying. I guess Acriku just feels strongly about his beliefs (or lack of it). Can I just say that both religions have people that will feel strongly about their belief, and will sometimes go so far as to downgrade other religions. My main point is that just because one Atheist committed atrocities etc, etc, it doesn't mean that all Atheists are like that. Given that, I'll have to be fair and say that not all Christians are like other Christians that may have committed atrocities or what not. Does Atheism state that if you are not an Atheist, you should be killed? Does Christianity state anywhere that if you an Atheist, you should be converted or killed? If the answer to both of these questions is no, then wouldn't it be safe to say that it's not the religion that is the cause of the problem, but the individual opinion/fanaticism of the person or peoples involved, which leads them to do what they do, or have already done?ALl I am saying Ixian, is I found it stunning that several posts were made from someone hurling hatemongering speech judging a whole people group from the actions of some....misrepresenting those actions to boot...and you said NOTHING. Then I make the EXACT SAME logical post in response, and it wasn't more than 10 minutes later you chastise me. I hate doublestandards like that.
emprworm Posted April 14, 2003 Posted April 14, 2003 Hello?! Did we forget the 10 million done by a single Christian: Adolf Hitler. Duh... ::)But, one man doesn't represent the whole group. Mao Ze Dong no more represents all of Athiesm than Hitler represented all of Christianity, or than Stalin represented all of communism. ::)*sigh* DUKELEETO knows no end to the lies and brainwashed nonsense. Hitler was never a professing Christian once he became a Nazi. Which liberal brainwashed you into that nonsense? But coming from your misinformed brain, I am not in shock at such utter stupidity.Digest this, DukeLeto, and cut with your false, idiotic distortions of history:"Christianity is a rebellion against natural law, a protest against nature. Taken to its logical extreme, Christianity would mean the systematic cultivation of the human failure."-Adolph Hitler, 10th October, 1941"Christianity is an invention of sick brains: one could imagine nothing more senseless, nor any more indecent way of turning the idea of the Godhead into a mockery.... .... When all is said, we have no reason to wish that the Italians and Spaniards should free themselves from the drug of Christianity. Let's be the only people who are immunised against the disease."-Adolph HItler, 13 Dec 1941"The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death" - Adolph Hitler, 14 Oct 1941Why do mindless liberal automotans propogate falsities and downright blatant offensive lies (like "Duhhh...Hitler was a Christian....duhhh.....ug ug")? I really wish I knew. Who is responsible for your eductation, DukeLeeeeeeeeeeto?please do the human race a favour....and go back to schooli am tired of these lies.
IxianMace Posted April 14, 2003 Posted April 14, 2003 Then I make the EXACT SAME logical post in response, and it wasn't more than 10 minutes later you chastise me. I hate doublestandards like that.I do not track and reply to all topics that I look at or post in. I reply to them when I have the time, or simply when I have something to say. Of course, I don't always post exactly what I am thinking, for obvious reasons, I guess the timing was just pretty bad in the way it looked.
Edric O Posted April 14, 2003 Posted April 14, 2003 I think Emprworm needs a little sensitivity training.Of course, Emprworm, you ARE right about Hitler, he was about as Christian as Acriku... However, your attack on liberals is disgusting. I am a strong liberal, and proud of it. How would you feel if I called you a primitive close-minded conservative redneck?Oh, by the way:Here's an article about Hitler's religious beliefs(to make a long story short, he had his own religion, with himself as God)Now, IxianMace, I think you said it best:My main point is that just because one Atheist committed atrocities etc, etc, it doesn't mean that all Atheists are like that. Given that, I'll have to be fair and say that not all Christians are like other Christians that may have committed atrocities or what not. Does Atheism state that if you are not an Atheist, you should be killed? Does Christianity state anywhere that if you an Atheist, you should be converted or killed? If the answer to both of these questions is no, then wouldn't it be safe to say that it's not the religion that is the cause of the problem, but the individual opinion/fanaticism of the person or peoples involved, which leads them to do what they do, or have already done?Amen to that.If only people like Acriku understood this as well, the world would be a much better place...
emprworm Posted April 14, 2003 Posted April 14, 2003 "how would you feel if I called you a primitive close-minded conservative redneck?"I would feel like eating my chocolate Mountain bar that I have had here, wrapped yet uneaten all day.yummm....tasty....
Edric O Posted April 14, 2003 Posted April 14, 2003 Good, because YOU'RE A PRIMITIVE CLOSE-MINDED CONSERVATIVE REDNECK!Bon appetit. ;)
nemafakei Posted April 14, 2003 Posted April 14, 2003 "Of course, Emprworm, you ARE right about Hitler, we was about as Christian as Acriku..."We? I hope that was a typo..."YOU'RE A PRIMITIVE CLOSE-MINDED CONSERVATIVE REDNECK!"Do you mean closed-minded? And what, pray, is a redneck?
sneezer3 Posted April 14, 2003 Posted April 14, 2003 The funny thing is that the vast majority of those "historical facts" have nothing but sketchy evidence to back them up. Many are just pure speculation.In fact, there's probably more evidence for the existence of God than for over half of those claims, Acriku.Well, really there is more evidence for God most of history."how would you feel if I called you a primitive close-minded conservative redneck?"I would feel like eating my chocolate Mountain bar that I have had here, wrapped yet uneaten all day.yummm....tasty.... Sounds tasty!
emprworm Posted April 14, 2003 Posted April 14, 2003 and to get back on track:lets talk historical fact:#1. HItler was not a Christian. #2. One atheist can...and DID...kill more people than all documented murders of professing Christians in the name of Christianity in the history of the world COMBINED.#3. Atheism is fully capable of human atrocity such that the world has never seen.#4. THe murders that the website refers to never talked about the virgin and child sacrifices performed by those "pagans" that those evil Christians killed. To be honest, I would have rounded up every single pagan baby/women killer and fried them. #5. The atheist crutch called the "crusades" that little atheists like to toss around as some sort of proof that the 250,000 people that the Christians killed over a 200 year period (as if it even comes close to the 50 MILLION killed by one atheist in 40 years)...they seem to think that those poor little Muslims that the Christians killed didn't deserve to be treated that way. These stupid atheists ignore the fact that the Mulsims invaded Europe with the sword, pushing all the way into Spain, slaughtering Christians in the name of Allah, and that the ROman Empire was being attacked and defended itself. These stupid (and I emphasize stupid) atheists overlook that had those "evil horrible" crusaders NOT defeat the invading muslims, then there would be NO EUROPE, and NO AMERICA today. The ENTIRE WORLD would be a clone of modern day Yemen. ANd all those little itty witty bitty atheists would be bending their knee to Allah right now. And that would not be cool.
DukeLeto Posted April 14, 2003 Posted April 14, 2003 I never said that Athiests were more morally pure than Christians. I just said that Christians are no more morally pure than Athiests.
emprworm Posted April 14, 2003 Posted April 14, 2003 I never said that Athiests were more morally pure than Christians. I just said that Christians are no more morally pure than Athiests.no you said Hitler was a Christian. Which is utter nonsense. I'm not gonna let you Hillary your way out of this one. You've Clintonized enough threads with half-truths and now you want to Daschle and Gore your way to safety, but I'm Bushing you right back down with the Limbaugh truth, Michael Savaging your mind with Bill O'reliy reasoning and Hannity enlightenment.
nemafakei Posted April 14, 2003 Posted April 14, 2003 Acriku, do you now accept that, though Hitler was religious, he was not a christian?
emprworm Posted April 14, 2003 Posted April 14, 2003 Acriku, do you now accept that, though Hitler was religious, he was not a christian?ahh....some sanity. HItler, was a theist...in a bizzarre sort of way...seeing himself as God. An occultist, he abandoned his Christian upgringings in high school. Not a Christian by any means, an some could argue, that self-proclaimed deitizing of one's self is equal to atheism. Now, I wouldn't argue that, but I could see that a case could be made. Probably the most accurate description of his world view is: SUPERNATURALIST
Gobalopper Posted April 14, 2003 Posted April 14, 2003 You can't judge a group by the extremists. You could say that all conservatives are gun crazy war mongers or all liberals are dope smoking hippies but that does not give any sort of accurate potrayal of what the group is actually like.
TMA_1 Posted April 14, 2003 Posted April 14, 2003 Of course, Emprworm, you ARE right about Hitler, he was about as Christian as Acriku... However, your attack on liberals is disgusting. I am a strong liberal, and proud of it. How would you feel if I called you a primitive close-minded conservative redneck?Have to agree here edric. Emprworm, you need to understand that though you have a total right to your opinion, and can express it, doesnt mean you should be a jerk about it. I am conservitive in many many ways, and wont deny or hold back my feelings if somebody attacks my faith. Still though, you need to be sensitive and understand taht when you judge, God judges you for the sin you are judging against, and the sin of judging itself. This thread is creating nothing but devisive arguments. I think it should be locked personally.
emprworm Posted April 14, 2003 Posted April 14, 2003 You can't judge a group by the extremists. You could say that all conservatives are gun crazy war mongers or all liberals are dope smoking hippies but that does not give any sort of accurate potrayal of what the group is actually like.but what you will never hear from biased atheists like Acriku and the hoardes of henchmen and bigoted ranting, emotionally charged hatemongers at www.atheistsnetwork.com are all the good things that Christians have done. You wont hear acriku talk about compassion international, you wont hear him talk about the vast number of homeless programs accross the US, or the sheer amount of $$$ that Christians donate per year to charities (compare to the self-serving atheist communities). You wont hear Acriku talk about Christianity as being the driving force behind ending things like slavery, all you will hear from him is the same ole' hateful criticisms from someone who seems to be getting more bitter every time I read his posts. Bitterness is setting in. A true atheist would be totally indifferent to ALL religion. But Acriku is so focused and "dialed in" to Christianity....he is succombed by it. Christianity has him engulfed. He is ensared...enslaved...enveloped....Acriku is in full submission to Christianity on bended knee. Sure...he doesn't AGREE with it...but you don't have to have your life entwined by something you agree with. Acriku is inexorably tied and enslaved to Christianity...it defines his life now, only in a negative sense.A pity. To all those atheists who live their life....day in and day out spending countless hours arguing against something they don't even believe in...I say..>GET A LIFE
Gobalopper Posted April 14, 2003 Posted April 14, 2003 Yes but that doesn't mean you have to go and do the same with atheists either.
Acriku Posted April 14, 2003 Author Posted April 14, 2003 Hmm.I posted this thread to inform people, if they were curious and wanted to know. Almost all of these posts are irrelevant, and quite emotional (but nevertheless amusing).Infer what you want about it, I can't help that. I found it interesting when cruising an atheist site (no I do not go searching for christian atrocities Earth ;)), and decided to share the wealth.
emprworm Posted April 14, 2003 Posted April 14, 2003 Yes but that doesn't mean you have to go and do the same with atheists either.i'm not doing the same with the atheists. If you were to write my biography, atheism might contain a paragraph. For many of the people at www.infidels.org and atheistnetwork.com, Christianity will comprise more than half of their book.To an atheist, the Judeo Christian God is merely an invisible pink unicorn. To them, you live once, then die. Yet they spend a HUGE chunk of their existence devoted to something they don't believe in. This is an utter futile endeavor and most surely a waste of their lives. It is a pity, because someone who spends so much energy enslaved to an idea they reject - ESPECIALLY when he/she believes this life is all you got....it wasting their existence in a supreme way. Instead of devoting so much energy negatively into something you reject...put it into something you SUPPORT. LIfe will be much better as a result.
emprworm Posted April 14, 2003 Posted April 14, 2003 Hmm.I posted this thread to inform people, if they were curious and wanted to know. Almost all of these posts are irrelevant, and quite emotional (but nevertheless amusing).Infer what you want about it, I can't help that. I found it interesting when cruising an atheist site (no I do not go searching for christian atrocities Earth ;)), and decided to share the wealth. oh yes, and I returned the favor by citing historical facts that atheists have spilled more blood in the span of 50 years than all christians in the name of Christianity in the history of the earth combined. I only tell it like it is.
Acriku Posted April 14, 2003 Author Posted April 14, 2003 If christianity (or some other religion) wasn't such a big part of their lives (most likely the bad part), they wouldn't spend so much time on it. You don't seem to realize that a lot of these atheists at the sites you mentioned were once just like you, but have realized to themselves that the religion they grew up with is false. If christianity was just a "phase" then it wouldn't be a big issue. But christianity and other religions are a big part where they live, and some of them get attacked or heckled because of their atheism, so it's easy to see why they spend a good part on whatever religion. On the other hand, this is just a hobby of theirs on these websites. I go there on my passtime, and enjoy the discussions. It may seem like their life story, but they have lives outside of it, as well.oh yes, and I returned the favor by citing historical facts that atheists have spilled more blood in the span of 50 years than all christians in the name of Christianity in the history of the earth combined. I only tell it like it is. The problem with this, is that none of it was in the name of atheism. It was communism (like Stalin or Mao), or some other reason.
emprworm Posted April 14, 2003 Posted April 14, 2003 If christianity (or some other religion) wasn't such a big part of their lives (most likely the bad part), they wouldn't spend so much time on it. my point exactly. it defines your life because you allow it to. you are a slave to Christianity. It has you. It owns you. WHen I think of you Acriku, I picture a man on his knees bending low to the ground before the Cross of Jesus, hands shackled and bound to the stake. Christianity is your master. ANd this is a pity. Your life is more than that, Acriku. THink of all the Buddhists in your community that dont even give Jesus more than a fleeting thought....yet they had the same Christian exposure as you. You see, unlike you they put their energy FOR something instead of AGAINST it. They are free from Christianity- you are enslaved. My heart cries for you, Acriku....I am so sorry this happened to you. I *want* you to be free from this slavery. But only you can unlock those chains. YOur life is slipping away...every hour you spend clenching your fists and thinking angry thoughts towards those xians is another hour wasted. While Christians like me continue to live happy lives because we are believing IN something, you continue to fight AGAINST something you don't even believe in....and this type of negative devotion hurts me because I want you to live life in freedom, not in bondage. Free yourself from Christianity, Acriku. Do not let another minute waste away in this bondage. Only you can unlock the chains and reclaim the life that you are wasting away...spinning your wheels at something so utterly futile. I would never devote so many; countless hours to an invisible pink unicorn....yet you do, and it breaks my heart because any life I see that is wasting away is sad for me.
Acriku Posted April 14, 2003 Author Posted April 14, 2003 Heh ok emprworm. I can choose to not talk about christianity any more. But since it affects my life, and the communities I am involved with, I choose to remain active in the awareness of its folly. Would you choose to ignore a mass delusion held dearly by almost a billion people, when you once had the delusion yourself? (Neo: Woah.)It's funny that you think I am a slave of christianity when I have posted only a few topics on it. All hail jesus because I choose to discuss it in a religion forum.
emprworm Posted April 14, 2003 Posted April 14, 2003 Heh ok emprworm. I can choose to not talk about christianity any more. But since it affects my life, and the communities I am involved with, I choose to remain active in the awareness of its folly. Would you choose to ignore a mass delusion held dearly by almost a billion people, when you once had the delusion yourself? (Neo: Woah.)It's funny that you think I am a slave of christianity when I have posted only a few topics on it. All hail jesus because I choose to discuss it in a religion forum. i believe all of hinduism is a delusion.i do not spend hours upon hours....making websites and forums and having little picnics and anti-hindu clubs with t-shirts and the like....all devoted to fighting it. what a waste of life.when you are TRULY free from Christianity...you will be simply that...FREE from Christianity. Right now, you are a slave.
Acriku Posted April 14, 2003 Author Posted April 14, 2003 False analogy, this community, most of the online community, and most of Americans are not Hindu. Moving on... You do realize that this is my passtime? I appreciate my atheism, so I remain active in atheist organizations and events (although I've only been to one). You, who probably thinks otherwise, imagine my entire life being run by christianity. Well it isn't. Outside of the internet, I have only told one person of my atheism that I know, and do not debate with people. Also, let the liver of that life decide if it is wasted or not, you can live your life your own way and he his way.
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