bg and animals

[Emperor Harkonnen]

What would the Bene Gesserit do if they met Darwin and he told them how we once were animals ;D

[nampigai]

don't you think they new this?

[Emperor Harkonnen]

nope, they are so focused on religion that they probably ignored that thought.

[Vanguard3000]

They knew they came from animals, they just believed that they had surpassed any other animal because of their ability to override instinct.

[nemafakei]

They are not a religious order, merely perceived as one, because they manipulate religion.

[ilexatrei]

I believe they do not know this. Because of the great expanse of time they know only snippets of what they believe society to like. So it is plausible for them to not know any of the theories that are brought up in this time period.

[Emperor Harkonnen]

didn't they forgot a lot of their past after the butlerian jihad, why shouldn't they just forget other stuff too like theories

[nampigai]

They have "other memory". and as for religious, they form religions for their own benefit, I don't see them as religious fanatics.

[ilexatrei]

As we have seen, other memory is not exactly very reliable. They do not want to go in too deep because they will be pulled into insanity. So there is no possible way for them to go back that far. They can barely go back a few millenia without going nuts.

[Gunseng_Harkonnen]

It would be more like Tleilaxu didn`t know it, cos they were more religiuos.

[Emperor Harkonnen]

yeah but the Bene Gesserit always talks about the stuff about being human. but in fact we are all animals.

[Emperor Harkonnen]

the BG should learn that it is human to fail. and that real humans don't need to be perfect, as they think. There is nothing more human than to be weak and helpless.

[nampigai]

they are shaping humanity through breeding and religious manipulation, surely they would have known where we came from.

[Andrew]

but would they be able to go that far back?, also the animals would have primitive brains and thus the bene gesserit may not be able to remember the animals.

maybe they only remember up to a certain point when humans evolved, even though Leto II knew Adam (or Eve) which just complicates everything making it that a God created universe adn not evolution, or maybe the bible refered to a non God created Adam (just some guy the writers knew), and thus Leto II would know him.

[nampigai]

I'm not saying they would share other memory with amoebes and fish. But surely they would know of evolution.

[Andrew]

I'm not saying they would share other memory with amoebes and fish. But surely they would know of evolution.

ok, yes I agree that they would know of evolution, just look at the navigators.

[nampigai]

excelent comparison Andrew I didn't think of that.

[Emperor Harkonnen]

it is scientific proof that Adam and Eve really lived and were the first humans. I cannot give you my sources, since it is a magazine, and I do not have a scanner. But it is true.

so there is nothing wrong with Leto remembering Adam.

[nampigai]

oh???

[Emperor Harkonnen]

yeah I just found the magazine. It says that we are all decendants from two people who lived in africa 140.000 years ago. they found it out with some mutation stuff or something...dunno really

[nampigai]

evolution ? the missing link is found. well anyway does the magasine have a web? Is it illustreret videnskab?

[Emperor Harkonnen]

ja for faen. illvit.com leser du ogs

[nampigai]

yea gonna see if I can find it tomorrow.

[TMA_1]

frank does not talk much of what the suspected origins of man are in his universe. From what I have read though, it goes towards a more religious aspect. This goes long before the bene gesserit existed, the C.E.T. in my opinion established the idea of a "creation" from the basic united ideas of the major religions of terra. Based on the paramount concepts of all religions, they created a universal idea of creation. It also mentions many ancient religious leaders as actually existing as well as myths that we have disproven or are skeptical of. Though the prequels go into evolutionary matters many, many times, frank doesnt say too much about it, but there are a few snipits here and thee.

[nampigai]

my opinion about the prequels -> [hide] crap [/hide]