Rise of the herb

[TMA_1]

http://www.erowid.org/plants/tobacco/tobacco.shtml

nicotine is actually a pretty bad drug. not good for you at all.

[Elite47]

"Wouldn't it make u more intelligent"

Hm, yes, perhaps destabilising my mind will make me more intelligent. In my case, at least, I predict one dose of any drug will halve my thought capacity. Or at least, halve efficiency.

Given that there is a slight chance of addiction, let alone bad side affects of any drug, including the distinct possibility of a servere reaction to it, especially given the lack of regulation on such illegal materials, surely it's not worth the risk?

And that is just a perfect example. B4 this year i used to go to school stoned.We had a HUGE test called the IOWA. I got an award for one of the highest scores in Washington state(or was it the nation... im not sure) on that test, and i was stoned! obviously my mind wasnt destabalised much and my thought capacity was not halved.

It DOES make u more intelligent because you actually have experience to back up your thoughts. And no im not talking about drugs like crank,glass,heroin, or ecstacy because those are just dirty good for nuthing drugs(except maybe ecstacy which ive never tried cause it can be fun).

What about when ur sitting at home at night after a hard day of work and you have nuthing to do, nuthing to take care of and your just sitting around. Smoke a bowl of green. You'll be more relaxed while youre just sitting around and you'll probably sleep like a baby that night. At the moment i am not stoned and i havent smoked any weed today. I am just as fully functioning as i would be if i smoked pot.

Here, let me take a bong hit for you(LITERALLY)

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..... 5 minutes later...

Ok im back and i still remember what we were discussing(thank god) lets get onto your 2nd paragraph where you transfer to talking about bad effects of drugs. Right now im only talking about 'soft' drugs just so u know.

"...slight chance of addiction"

During your life have u EVER been addicted to a certain game, a habit like picking your nose, or been addicted to sex/masterbation? MAYBE not, but chances are yes you have been. Point is, there are tons of things in life there are 'chances' of getting addicted to. Are you gonna spend your whole life worrying about it and hiding from it. Why dont you come out offensively with a strong will and not let yourself get weak enough to be addicted to certain things.

"...bad side effects..."

What bad side affects of pot? smoke in your lungs, yes(only herts you if you abuse the drug). then what... red eyes, cotton mouth and short term memory loss. Like i said dont smoke pot b4 school or something important its a relaxion drug so u do it when u have nothing to worry about except sitting around or playing games, u know what i mean. Mushrooms are bad on your liver its like drinking 8 bottles of jack daniel or so for every 1/8th of mushrooms. But if u dont drink much then its really not a whole lot compared to someone who does drink, and if u do drink then your just adding more damage. Im not saying that thats not a bad thing, but i dont drink much so 8 bottles of JD every 3-4 months or so is nuthing compared to someone who drinks regularly(most people).

"...possability of severe reaction to it"

Pot? No. marijuana is truthfully the only drug i can say that NEVER does u wrong. Mushrooms? Some ppl ARE allergic to mushrooms, but then again someone would already know that b4 they tried shrooms and woudl be able to avoid using them.

"...lack of regulation..."

True. Want a resolution for that? Don't buy from someone u cant trust. I always get stuff from my buddies. Pot is hardly ever laced, mushrooms i really have never heard of being laced(and i dont know how you woudl go about doing that considering you eat them)...other drugs can be laced more easily. Thats why i say buy from someone u know.

"...surely it's not worth the risk?"

Well if u are scared of taking risks, i guess so. But if u do everything right like i said then it's not much of a risk. I have NEVER in 2 years had anything laced, anything put in my drink or heard of it happening to anyone around me. Only at the bars in town where i live where all the drunks and crackheads roam, thats where you find ppl that lace drugs like that.

[Taqwa11]

First of all, Gob, thanks for pointing out this post to me. Very interesting. :)

Now, Elite, AKA Gzakiller, my former clanmate and still a friend, we have had this discussion before. And here I find you again preaching the wonders of drugs and the necessity to try everything once. Rather than spend more time discussing these points with you, I'll simply share some of my own words to you from our past conversations for anyone who is interested. No, they aren't private words just between us, because, as I said, here you are self-disclosing and advocating things that I feel are wrong. Anyhow, here are my past posts to you about drugs:

1. I don't want to preach at you because you've told me how you feel about what most people refer to as "recreational" drug use--you don't consider it a problem.

However, that said, you should really admit to yourself that you DO have a drug problem if you can so easily pick up someone else's resinated pipe and smoke it without even being sure what was in it. Please reconsider your position on "recreational" drug use. Watch the movie "Traffic." It shows young people engaging in "recreational" drug use and some of the possible consequences of it. It also shows what I do for a living. One more thing: You know that commercial that goes something like this: "This is Dan's joint. This is the dealer that sold Dan his joint. This is the supplier that supplied the dealer that sold Dan his joint. This is the Cartel responsible for the marijuana supplied to the dealer that sold Dan his joint. And this is the family they lined up and shot for getting in the way. Drug money supports terrible people. If you buy drugs, you might too." Think about that. One joint or blunt doesn't seem like much, but it all adds up. Somewhere, right now, in Mexico, is a fat, slimey bastard who has no real job, but lives in an enormous house, drives fancy cars, eats at fancy restaurants every day, goes on expensive vacations, fucks expensive whores, and laughs all the way to the bank. Where does all that money come from?

I dedicate most of my waking hours trying to keep poison drugs out of the lungs, noses and veins of stupid people. Why? Not because I care about stupid people--the world would be a better place with fewer stupid people. But I absolutely LOVE to see human monsters locked up behind bars where they belong.

As for the dope you experienced, I think it was meth. Meth is one of the worst drugs in the world. Extremely addictive and physically damaging. Of course, the same could be said of crack and heroine; both are very nasty substances. As for the skin irritation you have, that could be caused by many things, so I can't pin that down to your smoke. But if you think smoking an unknown drug might have something to do with it, maybe it does. Of course, a skin problem in no way compares to the possibility of dropping dead from a heart attack due to some particularly strong meth.

Now, a little about me. I've never had an alcholic beverage. I've never, not even once, smoked pot. I've never smoked a cigarette. I've never even once tried an illegal drug. Does that make me smarter than you? Maybe, maybe not. But the reason I have never tried any of those things is because I respect myself and my values and ideals. And I refuse to support, even with one drink or one cigarette, the companies that make their riches off human suffering. I have principles and I stand by them.

Anyway, enough of that. Just remember and take to heart some of the things I said, OK? Take care, my friend.

2. Well, I believe that alcohol is at least as bad as pot. But neither industry (the legal alcohol industry or the illegal pot industry) will ever get a cent from me. As I said, I stand by my principles.

Ok, so you won't give up pot because you enjoy it. I suppose if you enjoyed killing people you wouldn't give that up either. You might say that's an unfair example, but is it really? By buying illegal drugs, you are supporting those devils who commit all kinds of atrocities. They'll get nothing from me except my gun in their face and my handcuffs cinched down too tight on their slimey wrists if I catch them. Saying you won't give up something that is not only harmful to you (and yes, it is--keep it up and you will see how harmful it is in the long run) but also a contributor to murder and other terrible crimes is a real "ME" attitude.

You think that legalizing marijuana would get rid of the problems? Did legalizing alcohol get rid of its problems? No, you'd just trade one set of problems for another. We'll never win the so-called "drug war," but that doesn't mean we should do nothing, and it doesn't mean we should give up our principles and honor.

As for connecting better with friends while under the influence of drugs, alcohol does essentially the same thing. And if you REALLY want to connect, Ecstacy will fry your brain and give you Parkinson's Disease in the long run, but damn, it'll really help you connect. Just ask the ravers who abuse it daily.

I don't want to preach to you anymore, Elite. You seem to be a cool guy, and you have your own freedom of choice like we all do. Arguing with someone's principles, or lack thereof, does no one any good. Take care, bud.

3. No, my friend, when I talk about "slimey bastards" I'm not talking about you or other small-time users. I'm talking about the big fish. In my job we focus only on the big fish. I wouldn't even want to deal with the paperwork in arresting you, let alone the hassle of putting you, a relatively harmless user, in jail. We bring down organizations, not individual small fry. I don't bother with the tweakers. The U.S. Attorney's Office won't even take their cases. Leave them for the local police to worry about.

Your solution and your ideas make sense to a lot of people. WHAT IF we just let people grow their own pot? Would that really be so bad? Probably not. Sure, it would hurt us all in the long run with higher medical insurance costs, more people having car accidents while under the influence, and trillions of brain cells (but then, who uses all their brain cells anyhow?). I have had these discussions with other agents. I always tell them that alcohol is more damaging to society than legal marijuana ever would be. I also tell them that it's kind of hypocritical to bust dopers and then go out and celebrate the big bust by abusing the legal drug alcohol. Of course, you're wrong if you think marijuana doesn't impair your judgment and ability to think clearly. It does. Quite a bit temporarily while you're using it, and quite a bit permanently over the long run. At least don't lie to yourself about that. Keep smoking it, and I won't need to prove anything to you because you'll prove it to yourself eventually.

As for 'shrooms, I don't give a crap about them. I never, ever deal with them in my job. The penalty for 'shrooms is so light when compared with the penalties for the other illegal drugs that they just aren't worth the bother.

You're right--I have no experience in doing drugs. I only have some experience in seeing the damages they do, both in the health of the individual and in the support they give to those devils we're talking so much about. And when it comes to most people stupid enough to abuse drugs, the adults can go ahead and kill themselves or make themselves sick if they want to, as long as they don't hurt anyone else. The problem is mainly with the kids. How old are you, by the way?

By the way, I just got home from dealing with a dumbass and three thousand pounds of marijuana. After processing the dumbass, we spent about two hours processing all that weed. The sad thing is, losing that three thousand pounds of weed won't really hurt the big Mexican fish at the top. They can always grow more, and they'll get their money back either way, from millions of stupid Americans. But someone down the line a ways, or his family, could very well pay. Maybe more bodies floating in the Rio Grande River tomorrow. What bugs me is that they sit over their in Mexico, pretty much immune to our law enforcement because of dirty politics, laughing at all the stupid Americans who are making them rich.

I may not ever change your views, bud. Maybe one day you'll change them yourself. That's the great thing about life. We humans are not stagnant beings. We evolve, sometimes for the better, sometimes for the worse. Take care.

[Gobalopper]

No problem Taqwa, I knew you would have the best background on this subject seeing how you deal with it almost every day.

[Elite47]

I don't know why i believe that trying things, and only TRYING them is not a bad thing, i just do. Taqwa,u believe just the oppposite and i don't know why you do, you just do. I can accept that i still think you're a cool guy.

My main point i have been trying to get out here is that trying something only makes u understand it better. You have the experience so you actually *KNOW* what it's all about. Im not trying to promote drug use by saying that drugs(soft or hard drugs) are not bad for you, because i'd be lying. But experiencing something for yourself is better than not knowing.

I don't know... but lately I've been on a quest for knowledge, i want to know everything. Maybe that has something to do with it. i wanted to know what drugs were like and everything else i can learn. In the meantime after i had tried what i wanted to i had a new outlook on life... i think. I think that's how it works.

Anyways, i guess i should save the rest for the other posts to come...

[Digital Guerrilla]

First people have a right to do with their life as they choose. Those that do drugs outside of medical benifits should not brag about how cool you are because in the end most become losers. The wonders of drugs are just that wonders like...

I WONDER WHY THESE GUYS COULD NOT SEE IN THE BEGINING THAT THEY ALREADY HAD THE BRAIN POWER WITHOUT THE DRUG.

I WONDER IF THESE GUYS WILL EVER REALIZE THAT THE LIGHT THEY SEE WHILE 'HIGH' WILL EVENTUALLY FLICKER OUT INTO NOTHING.

This does not come from someone who has never done drugs either. I have experimented also but found that in the end it all a lie. You lie to yourself that it makes you better when really you do not have the guts to stand up to life as it is and fight the good fight. Most drugs are used for an escape anyway. What is it that you escape from nothing more than yourself. This really not a judgement on anyone here but a warning that your drug induced dreams can become short lived and turn into nightmares.

[Elite47]

First people have a right to do with their life as they choose. Those that do drugs outside of medical benifits should not brag about how cool you are because in the end most become losers. The wonders of drugs are just that wonders like...

I WONDER WHY THESE GUYS COULD NOT SEE IN THE BEGINING THAT THEY ALREADY HAD THE BRAIN POWER WITHOUT THE DRUG.

I WONDER IF THESE GUYS WILL EVER REALIZE THAT THE LIGHT THEY SEE WHILE 'HIGH' WILL EVENTUALLY FLICKER OUT INTO NOTHING.

This does not come from someone who has never done drugs either. I have experimented also but found that in the end it all a lie. You lie to yourself that it makes you better when really you do not have the guts to stand up to life as it is and fight the good fight. Most drugs are used for an escape anyway. What is it that you escape from nothing more than yourself. This really not a judgement on anyone here but a warning that your drug induced dreams can become short lived and turn into nightmares.

What is this about bragging about being cool? What do u mean 'in the end' it turns out to be a lie? *WHAT* turns out to be a lie? I dont understand. I get the impression that you're talking about meth,crack,pcp and acid like shit. I like to focus on pot, because thats really the only drug i do. How can u escape from reality from smoking pot when u never leave reality in the first place? You MUST be talking about hard drugs.

[Elite47]

Ok i found what i want everyone to know.

I do not think everyone should try drugs. I think NOONE should try methamphetamines,amphetamines,LSD or anyother manmade hard drug. If someone does not want to try drugs for any various reason, all the power to ya! If u r curious and want to experience the better, more safe drugs then you should! it is a good experience. you should NOT let yourself get addicted to drugs(even pot). I am mentally addicted to pot. If i had to stop i would, but i dont. I dont plan to smoke pot forever. I SHOULD stop smoking pot, i probably will soon since i started lifting weights again and will play football again next year.

All that came to me at once so i figured i would get it all out fast b4 it left me. Thats pretty much my WHOLE opinion on drugs.

[Digital Guerrilla]

What is this about bragging about being cool? What do u mean 'in the end' it turns out to be a lie? *WHAT* turns out to be a lie? I dont understand. I get the impression that you're talking about meth,crack,pcp and acid like shit. I like to focus on pot, because thats really the only drug i do. How can u escape from reality from smoking pot when u never leave reality in the first place? You MUST be talking about hard drugs.

It is simple why you do drugs you have little confidence in yourself to perform at a certan level. Those people who gave that award to you might be upset to know that it was a fluke. My post was simple their was nothing hard about it to understand. What is so special about pot? Nothing at all except what people so-call claim about it. You said you were going to start lifting weights and quit smoking pot good luck your heart is going to need it. Cause all that smoke does nothing but give you a heart condition.

[Elite47]

My award was a fluke? Are you shittin' me?! lol.

All my scores were above the 90% range, which means that in the 3-4 tests we were given i scored atleast 90% above all students in the United States of America. In English i actually scored a 96%. Now you're trying to tell me that was a fluke? That is not an accomplishment? The fact that i said i was stoned when i took that test was only to show that i *USED TO* smoke pot all the time, even when i had important things like school. The other thing i tried to say was that if i was stoned when i took those tests, and got that good of scores then im a supergenious(which im not) or pot is just not that bad.

Marijuana was a plant meant to be smoked. How many plants get you such a nice feeling when consumed? Marijuana never does u wrong. Its like a goldmine. The Plant of the Gods. If there really is a god like so many of u believe, he did not mean for his beatiful plant that he put on earth to be illegal. He made it so everyone could smoke it and enjoy the wonders of mary-jane :D

[DjCiD]

You must be referring to Genesis 1:12.

[TMA_1]

as a matter of fact, it has been found that even the ancient israelites ate and smoked hashish oil. a potent THC containing product.

[DjCiD]

I have a killer recipie for some brownies and an orange chronic crumb cake ;D

[Elite47]

LOL IM me ;D ;D

[Digital Guerrilla]

GZAkiller your lungs were are not ment to inhale smoke wonder why people die from smoke inhaltaion. Classic pot head trying to justify pot and it show just how smart you think you are I ment if you like smoking so much and it's benifical why not suck on a exahust pipe I mean would that not also get you 'high'. When you smoke pot the only reason you get 'high' is because your brain can not get oxygen hence the light headed feeling of 'euphoria'. I mean can it be so fun depriving your brain of oxygen? I will also mention the fact that over a period of time you becaome paraniod due to the fact that your brain is being rotted away because your brain can not get any oxygen ever heard of psychosis? If you know it or not or even believe it that is what smoking pot will do for you 'in the end'. GZAkiller with all your academic accomplishments did you ever get any wisdom with the knowledge you so-called have about being ignorant to the real facts about pot?

[DjCiD]

Not all pot heads smoke it guy, there are a few different ways. But then I guess they are just faking the high then since its all in the smoke. ::) The lil chem compound THC is probally nothing then...

[Digital Guerrilla]

Not all pot heads smoke itthere guy... so I guess they are just faking the high then since its all in the smoke. ::) The lil chem compound THC is probally nothing then...

Sure the last time you went to buy pot you asked for it in form of 30 brownies and told them to hold the 'nuts'. LOL

Oh I get it the next time anybody holds a 'cipher' instead of 'blunts' everyone will 'take two bites out of the brownie and pass' LOL

Maybe the next time your at a Cypress Hill concert instead of putting your lighters in the air everyone will have brownies. LMAO I can see it now B-Real screaming everybody put your f***ing brownie in the air!!!! LOL

Yeah sure whatever you guys say. ::)

[TMA_1]

actually when I did it, I prefered not to smoke it. Tastes like crap, and it really makes your mouth nasty tasting and smokey. I actually just put some of the "stuff" into capsules and took it orally. Plus, it gives you a better high, but anyways.lol sandwraith, you are way too extreme. I forewarned of people like you.lol

[DjCiD]

It all depends on where you do your Shopping and Dining ;)

[Digital Guerrilla]

No I'm not extreme TMA-1 you did not forewarn about me. Pot advocates just do not make any sense.

[TMA_1]

hehehe

[Elite47]

You need to get your facts strait buddy. Do you even knwo what youre talking about? the chemical compound THC(delta-9 tetrahydrocannabinol) is what gets you 'high', not lack of oxygen to your brain. Thats called huffing. I think i know a little bit about pot, a bit more than you so i wouldn't jump the gun to call me ignorant. I mean when you make statements like '...your brain is being rotted away..." it just proves how much you dont know. Show me a scientific study that says marijuana deteriorates your brain, please.

Sure one day my lungs will be rotted away and i will die, but everyone dies. So whats ur point? If we all die, then why should i be concerned about dying? Its gonna happen eventually. Im still healthy and i wont smoke pot forever. What are you gonna say when im older and i do something with my life? Im sure you're nothing special and you turned out to be a prick. And you're telling me i'll be nuthing 'in the end'...lol.

[Digital Guerrilla]

What is the matter GZAkiller you can't debate without name calling? I might be a 'prick' but you are the 'kitty' would you like to get stroked so there is no need for that type of insult. Your ignorance is deeper than I thought in the process of getting facts to advocate pot you forgot about the down side and memory loss is an effect of smoking pot. I never said you would be nothing in fact if you were smart(er) you would see the I said a few things that gave you a compliment on your intelligence so it is now obvious that you are the one that can't keep facts straight. You do not need medical research to tell you that smoking pot is not good. Do you need traffic research to tell you that walking across the street and not looking both ways is dangerous? You need to think for yourself. Your arms are too short to box with me. ;)

[Gh0stzzz]

This is funny stuff. ;D

[TMA_1]

be good gentlemen and cool down guys.lol

Both of you guys are on extremes. Pot isnt some miracle drug, its a silly weed.lol It isnt bad for you if taken in moderation, but it isnt something that should be done too much. It should be done like an occasional drink of alcohol. Too much effects everything. It also shouldnt be used as a substance to run away from problems or to use it in ordre to look "cool".