Major_Gilbear Posted February 14, 2003 Share Posted February 14, 2003 Are these used in the Duniverse? I know the Tleilaxu make 'metal eyes', but I wondered if bionics were generally allowed/used at all. In the Lynch film (and also in the cutscenes from EBFD), some of the Sarduakar appear to have metal body parts... Though neither of these two sources are 'gospel'.Can anyone clear this up for me? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anathema Posted February 14, 2003 Share Posted February 14, 2003 In the prequels Rhombur Vernius, the rightful ruler of Ix, gets an almost completely robotic body after he loses most of his body in...nevermind, I'm not going to spoil anything.In Heretics of Dune, a pilot is mentioned with cybernetic implants after he suffered severe injuries in an accident.In the original Dune (wich Lynch' movie is based on) there was no mentioning of anything cybernetic (if I recall correctly).And the Sardaukars aren't cybernetic, Lynch just made up those suits himself :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major_Gilbear Posted February 14, 2003 Author Share Posted February 14, 2003 Aahh. The sarduakar bionics are all Lynch. Thought so. So cybernetics are not against the conventions, and can be used (as long as they are not 'intelligent')? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anathema Posted February 14, 2003 Share Posted February 14, 2003 It's about interpretation, actually. Some thought that it was okay, so long as the machine parts didn't interfere with the mind, but some didn't like cybernetics at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major_Gilbear Posted February 14, 2003 Author Share Posted February 14, 2003 Okay, cool.Do you think that House Corrino would be adverse to using them?Since Ix aren't, and Paul wasn't... Also Tleilaxu make the things...Any opinions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anathema Posted February 14, 2003 Share Posted February 14, 2003 I don't think they would mind using them. House Corrino had become corrupt and greedy. In the prequels, Shadam used the OC bible as an excuse for something (wich I won't spoil), but he didnt' really care about OC restrictions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanguard3000 Posted February 14, 2003 Share Posted February 14, 2003 For the record, the driver/pilot in Heretics was named Clairby.And you may have noticed one Sardaukar officer in Lunch's Dune with a metal (steel) nose. Interestingly enough, a Danish astronomer named Tycho Brahe had lost his nose in a duel, and had it replaced with a prosthetic of a gold/silver/copper alloy.(He also had a pet moose, and he died because he held his "water" too long.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quoudam72 Posted February 14, 2003 Share Posted February 14, 2003 And you may have noticed one Sardaukar officer in Lunch's Dune with a metal (steel) nose. Isn't that a general to Shaddam IV and not a Sardaukar officer are you refering to one of the Golden Lion Throne room scenes (from Lynch's movie)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMA_1 Posted February 14, 2003 Share Posted February 14, 2003 I do believe it was a sardaukar general. You could be right though. I never thought of them as sardaukar, but if he followed the book in that area (which I dont think he did) than they would be sardaukar generals. even though they arent called generals.lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quoudam72 Posted February 14, 2003 Share Posted February 14, 2003 You worded it better than myself. I was also thinking that the officer was not sardukar. As with the Sardukar (in Lynch's movie) I never thought their uniforms had anything to do with cybernetics didn't not quite interpret it that way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanguard3000 Posted February 14, 2003 Share Posted February 14, 2003 Err, I mean Bursegs, not generals. ;)I always thought of them as being the "noukkers" from the Terminology of the Imperium. If they weren't Sardaukar, who were they? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMA_1 Posted February 15, 2003 Share Posted February 15, 2003 exactly, that is why I tend to agree with you. They just never mention it.lol But sardaukar solders have dress uniforms as well, so you are looking at sardaukar solders who dont fight anymore and just tend on politics, stratagy and tactics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inoculator9 Posted February 15, 2003 Share Posted February 15, 2003 Well, they never really specifiy whether Sard Bursegs were retired foot soldiers themselves. I kind of got the impression that they were probably military tacticians drawn from the lesser family areas of great and minor houses. Although that is just my impression. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMA_1 Posted February 15, 2003 Share Posted February 15, 2003 I would have to go towards your idea vanguard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanguard3000 Posted February 15, 2003 Share Posted February 15, 2003 Inoc: Well, the Noukkers were usually related to the Emperor, so there would be nobility there. but they're still Sardaukar, and would have extensive training, if not the entire S.S. experience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major_Gilbear Posted February 15, 2003 Author Share Posted February 15, 2003 Although I was never sure as to their exact relation to the Emperor, I had always assumed that they were ranking Sarduakar in dress uniform... In EBFD the high ranking Sarduakar also wear the same uniforms and also have metal prosthetics... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inoculator9 Posted February 15, 2003 Share Posted February 15, 2003 Vanguard, I agree with your perception, but not all of it. I was suggesting that tacticians received extensive training, but had not actually served as foot soldiers. Because, the Sardaukar are obsessed with battle, and becoming a general or Burseg would kind of make that impossible. I just don't think the Sardaukar mentality would be very receptive to such a career change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMA_1 Posted February 15, 2003 Share Posted February 15, 2003 remember that many of the sardaukar were not only strong with the body, but also with the mind. Many sardaukar officers were extremely intelligent and some even took political offices after retiring. They are not mindless drones. Like all military groups, there are some who are field commanders, and some that are political paperpushers. Ambition is very important in the theme I got of the sardaukar solder. Those men were sardaukar in the movie in my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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