OK, so who of you are there?

[Anathema]

Back on topic...here's my impersonation of Jack Chick.

Repent! We must all revert back to medieval living. Machines are banned, for they are unholy. Clothes (hand made) will be issued to everyone. Think not of them as uniforms, think of them as grey clothes that will make everybody look the same. From now on everybody will show up on church in time. When not at church, you will be either at work or at home praying. I will allow families to gather once a week to play board games. Video games are evil and will not be allowed.

Any deviation of this, and I will send you to hell!

::)

[sneezer3]

Time to turn up the heat a little ;D

Arghhhhhh!! Are you blind?? Do you not see that Satan is trying to divide us? Divide et impera!!! I've said this a million times: All Christians are brothers and sisters. Protestants, Catholics, Orthodox... we must not allow ourselves to be divided!

There is nothing wrong with Catholics. Neither is there anything wrong with Protestants or any other Christian denomination. Jack Chick is playing right into Satan's hand with his insane arguments.

Here's a tract that says "the antichrist will rule from the Vatican:

http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0007/0007_01.asp

(the Bible never says anything about the subject - Jack Chick is just making it up)

Yes, I got them confused. I was talking about the tracts.

Btw, please tell me Jack Chick's email address if you know it. I didn't see it on the "contact" page. I intend to see how many brain cells this guy actually has.

This might sound like a insane question but what is Vatican? I don't wanna be unclear and get you infuriated with another post. ;D

Have you cansiderd the possablity that he he din't mean to put that in there? That maybe nobody ever emailed them and tryed to explan why it shouldn't be in there? Have you cansiderd the possableity that you missed the date and it said it was written it 1966! ;D

And Catholics are not Christans. if you think this then you really do have problems.

Exactly! Sir Sard is right.

Caid, by calling Jack Chick a heretic, you are no better than him! He is a good Christian and one of our brothers in Christ. He is misguided and does foolish things, but he is a Christian nonetheless!

No. but i think you are misguided on some issues.

And you don't have to be a "Good" Christan to go to heaven. If anybody is saved and you are you are both Gods children therefore you are Brother in Christ.

Of course they are blind. They see us as one thing, one enemy, one opposition against Freemasons. That heretical site is made by one of them too. They are dividing us still. Mormons, Jehova Witnesses... All are AGAINST Vatican, they all see Pope, the symbol of unity and ecumenism, as enemy. Divide et impera, EdricO is truly right. Jack Chick is a typical show of a freemason, hardcore one. Do NOT read it! That's why the Bible should be translated only by experts.

Illuminates are at least christian.

Ok. so maybe are Jehova Witness are agenst Vatican whatever that is. but they also claim to be Anti Cathlic. however they use the corupt Romen Cathlic manuscrpts. And they changed what they belived over time.

I have a feeling i'm going to have to explan what is wrong with ever other single what Edric O called " Christian denomination". Oh well here goes.

mainly depends on saved or lost. If they have done what Romens 10:9 & John 3:16 says or not. HoWeVEr with the Cathlics. most belive diffrantly. that you have to be sprinkled or something. therefor according to Ephesnes 2:8&9 your not saved by works or any other means. Your saved by grace. and its the gift of God. The bible says theres only one way to heaven. Therefore they are on there way to hell.

Also you don't confess your sins to the pope or whats his name. If you think you do look up 1 Timothy 2:5

And no the bible is not a closed book for only experts to understand. I myself and 13 and look what all I understand. *Runs when seees everbody geting mad for make them feel dumb ;D* Its level of understanding. is well about a third or forth grader could understand it.

[sneezer3]

Back on topic...here's my impersonation of Jack Chick.

Repent! We must all revert back to medieval living. Machines are banned, for they are unholy. Clothes (hand made) will be issued to everyone. Think not of them as uniforms, think of them as grey clothes that will make everybody look the same. From now on everybody will show up on church in time. When not at church, you will be either at work or at home praying. I will allow families to gather once a week to play board games. Video games are evil and will not be allowed.

Any deviation of this, and I will send you to hell!

::)

LOL Earthnuker. if he tought that then NOBODY would buy his stuff. if Jack chick said that today then people probbly would think he's crazy! by the way. gay people and other kind drive by and shoot at his church. people really hate him. you gotta admit he's got guts!

And what you say isn't even according to the bible. if you was trying to impersonate somebody like that. well you'd probbly get'em fired from the job!

[TMA_1]

as stupid and corny as those c omics are, they are actually right about high masonic practices. Many of the most famous cult leaders such as L Ron Hubbord and Alexander Crowley were originally High Masons.

[Edric O]

Sneezer, most of your post doesn't even make sense.

Second, if you don't even know what the Vatican is, how can I expect you to have an intelligent conversation about the Roman Catholic Church? ::)

Third, you obviously have no idea what being a Christian means if you think Catholics are not Christians.

A Christian is a person who believes in the One God, YHWH, and in Jesus Christ as His Son and Our Saviour, as written in the Holy Bible.

That's all there is to it. Catholics are just as Christian as you are. You argue that each person should be allowed to interpret the Bible on his own. I agree. Therefore, you should also let Catholics interpret the Bible on their own! NOT force your own interpretation on them!

mainly depends on saved or lost. If they have done what Romens 10:9 & John 3:16 says or not. HoWeVEr with the Cathlics. most belive diffrantly. that you have to be sprinkled or something.

"Sprinkled or something"?? YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THEY BELIEVE! Your ignorance is blinding you. I suggest informing yourself on Catholic beliefs before slandering them.

I myself and 13 and look what all I understand. *Runs when seees everbody geting mad for make them feel dumb*

You don't seem to understand much at all.

[sneezer3]

"Sprinkled or something"?? YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THEY BELIEVE! Your ignorance is blinding you. I suggest informing yourself on Catholic beliefs before slandering them.

You don't seem to understand much at all.

Sneezer, most of your post doesn't even make sense.

:-[

A Christian is a person who believes in the One God, YHWH, and in Jesus Christ as His Son and Our Saviour, as written in the Holy Bible.

No. i'm not sure what that YHWH means. but A Christian is somebody that has Accepted Jesus Christ and gotten saved. even if he gets misguided latter on in life he will still be going to heaven. and admit it or not he will be a Christian whatever he is doing/beliveing currently. if YHWH ment anything to do with this well. i missed it otherwise your not even saved! And if your not saved you cannot be a Chirstian and going to heaven even if its the same God you belive in. you cannot blame me for not knowing much about the Catholic belivfes if you do not even no much about your own.

"Sprinkled or something"?? YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THEY BELIEVE! Your ignorance is blinding you. I suggest informing yourself on Catholic beliefs before slandering them.

You know. your tottly right. Makes me think of 2 kids one that was explaned why 1+1 does not =3 and =2 While the other one says it 1+1 =3 One of them knows the other one is wrong. but don't know enough of how to explan it.I din't learn most stuff by experince. Mostly just by others mistakes. And i hear that its wrong. and i have even had it explaned why.

If you don't want to order any books from www.chick.com Cause you don't want to pay them don't trust them etc. Go to this site. You can order stuff from there and from what they say there not Related to them or branched to them in any way. But you won't find there name said anywhere on www.chick.com Heres the site.

http://members.aol.com/monsterwax/chick.html

"Sprinkled or something"?? YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THEY BELIEVE! Your ignorance is blinding you. I suggest informing yourself on Catholic beliefs before slandering them.

You know. your tottly right. Makes me think of 2 kids one that was explaned why 1+1 does not =3 and =2 While the other one says it 1+1 =3 One of them knows the other one is wrong. but don't know enough of how to explan it.I din't learn most stuff by experince. Mostly just by others mistakes. And i hear that its wrong. and i have even had it explaned why.

That's all there is to it. Catholics are just as Christian has you are.

When i heard you say this i rememberd another intresting link that explans a lot of why they are not Logicly. Heres a link http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0071/0071_01.asp

If you really want to know whats wrong with it buy this http://www.chick.com/catalog/books/0160.asp

If you don't want to order any books from www.chick.com Cause you don't want to pay them don't trust them etc. Go to this site. You can order stuff from there and from what they say there not Related to them or branched to them in any way. But you won't find there name said anywhere on www.chick.com Heres the site.

http://members.aol.com/monsterwax/chick.html<I think i gave this link just a second ago>

Even if you can't contact Jack Chick THere is somebody you can. click on "Contact Authers" on a side link in the green. untill you come to this.

Heinze, Thomas

[Anathema]

YHWH is the hebrew name of God. Though I thought it was spelled YHVH.

[Edric O]

I'm pretty sure it's YHWH in our latin alphabet. It is the name of God as revealed to Moses. "I Am Who I Am".

Sneezer, you clearly have no idea what you're talking about. For one thing, you support the "once saved, always saved" doctrine, which is ludicrous...

No, wait. I don't have time to argue against you now. I'm in a hurry. I'll make a longer and more in-depth reply later, and support my arguments with Bible verses.

[Caid Ivik]

Name of the God isn't something you need to know. He IS. He is one and only. Why would He needs a name, if He is only of His kind? Jesus and the Holy Spirit, who gave us the power to be real christians are parts of Him. As Jesus told us everything He wants from us, we are his followers. Jesus was God, so we follow Him.

Exactly! Sir Sard is right.

Caid, by calling Jack Chick a heretic, you are no better than him! He is a good Christian and one of our brothers in Christ. He is misguided and does foolish things, but he is a Christian nonetheless!

Misguided person doing foolish things is called heretic. That's in every dictionary, but it doesn't mean he must be evil. I don't judge him, that word isn't an insult. He could love us all and do everything he can for us, far more than me, but this act is a heresy. It's trying to hurt our Church. Altough he may have a good reason for it. When you are translating Bible, you can't do it only by yourself. It was done by so much people, you must hear advices of people, who studied it. More than one person. Who thinks, that he can do it personally, is an egoist, and that's really against all Christian beliefs.

[sneezer3]

I'm pretty sure it's YHWH in our latin alphabet. It is the name of God as revealed to Moses. "I Am Who I Am".

Sneezer, you clearly have no idea what you're talking about. For one thing, you support the "once saved, always saved" doctrine, which is ludicrous...

No, wait. I don't have time to argue against you now. I'm in a hurry. I'll make a longer and more in-depth reply later, and support my arguments with Bible verses.

Thats what Christanty is based on ::)

Btw instede of makeing you read though all of that. i'l go ahead and give you some links where he explans himself and his why he belives what he does. hey at lest the links will be useful ;)

http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0074/0074_01.asp

http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0071/0071_01.asp

http://www.chick.com/information/religions/catholicism/

<Another link but you'l probbly like this site i found it on a search engine. but you probbly should use one searching for "Jack Chick" inless your not perpaired for some nasty Results. has he is hated but a lot of people. this site says nations feared him :O>

http://members.aol.com/monsterwax/chick.html

I could be a lot more spsific on what i disagree with them on latter if you want.

[Acriku]

So I can accept Jesus for a while, then after that quit? Sweet :D

[Edric O]

Thank you for pointing out the insanity of Sneezer's argument, Acriku. :)

[sneezer3]

So I can accept Jesus for a while, then after that quit? Sweet :D

No. you have to accept him with all intiions that it is the truth. and not of quiting shearing Jesus with others. but if you DO fall under something else. All that i was saying was. you will not lose your Salvation. There is no possable way to lose your Salvation once saved.

[Edric O]

Now let's tare Sneezer's posts apart...

even if he gets misguided latter on in life he will still be going to heaven

Not true. If he accepts Jesus today, but starts cursing and hating Him tomorrow, does that person still go to heaven? ::) Of course not.

And if your not saved you cannot be a Chirstian and going to heaven even if its the same God you belive in. you cannot blame me for not knowing much about the Catholic belivfes if you do not even no much about your own.

Please translate that for me. I'm afraid I don't speak Jibberish. Only English, French and Romanian.

As for my beliefs, how can a person not know what he believes?

If you don't want to order any books from www.chick.com Cause you don't want to pay them don't trust them etc.

That bastard will not get a single penny from me, you can be sure about that.

When i heard you say this i rememberd another intresting link that explans a lot of why they are not Logicly. Heres a link http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0071/0071_01.asp

That's nice. Seeing as how your arguments are generally self-contradicting and illogical, at least now I have something to argue against. So let me explain why that tract is wrong:

Baptism - They never show what's wrong with Catholic baptism. That's because there isn't anything wrong with it.

"Helen in now a citizen of 2 countries. [...]" - Exactly. The Kingdom of God is above any earthly power. You must always put God above your country.

Penance - God will also judge us by our works:

Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.

- Matthew 5:16

For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.

- Matthew 16:27

Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater [works] than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.

- John 14:12

And so on... there any many other verses that support this.

The confessional - Even if what they say is true, its origins are irrelevant. The Cross was originally a torture device. So what?

Priests - Oh, so are we arguing semantics now? Isn't that nice... ::)

Holy Communion - I do agree with him on this one. The bread and wine are symbolic. But that is irrelevant.

And then they go on and on about the Holy Communion... But all this is completely irrelevant and doesn't make Catholics any less Christian. It's like arguing about the shape of Churches or the color of Jesus's eyes.

The Catholic Church did evil things in the Middle Ages - Oh, do I have to remind you about the Protestant Which burnings?? Or about the Protestant persecution against Catholics? No one was any better in those dark times.

Repeating sacrifice of Christ - I don't see anyone being sacrificed in a Catholic Mass. Do YOU? Then you have a serious mental illness, my friend.

And then they go back to showing the mistakes made by the Catholic Church in the past, including several statements by some rather dubious Popes. Again, this is totally irrelevant.

CONCLUSION: The tract is nothing more than a collection of non-sequiturs and outright lies.

[emprworm]

i really hate seeing two people believe in God cut each other down like that. :(

[Edric O]

So do I. But I have no choice. I must argue against those who would divide us even further...

And that just goes to prove how intricate and well thought-out Satan's plan really is... :( Whatever you do, it's still in his benefit. DAMN IT! >:(

[emprworm]

yea, protestant witch burnings were pretty stupid.

however, martin luther had nothing to do with that immoral idiocy. what martin luther did was a noble and righteouss act of heroic proportions. any subsequent idiocy by fake christians does not implicate his righteouss act.

[Edric O]

Yes. He was a good man and did what needed to be done against a corrupt and hypocritical clergy.

But what some Protestants won't understand is that the Catholic Church has changed a lot since those days...

[emprworm]

i understand that, Edric. The Catholic church no longer kills ppl for heresey. thats a good thing, lol.

i do not see the catholic church as some kind of evil manifestation like other protestants do. i see certain sects of it as unbliblical, however.

[Anathema]

Can anyone tell me if there were any large protestant empires? There were catholic ones, like the Spanish, who did a lot of harm under the banner of faith while actually acting under the banner of money >:(

Catholics were long time resented in the Netherlands. The Spanish (catholic) occupied our country for a while, and after we sent them packing anyone that was catholic was denied the rights of protestant civilians. Not a part of history I'm proud of :(

[emprworm]

yes there was a huge backlashing against catholics after the reformation. partly motivated i think in a 'payback' attitude for all the centuries of oppression. in england, under elizabeth (i do believe it was she), priests were put to death if caught practicing.

talk about madness

[Edric O]

PAYBACK?? Have they heard nothing of what Jesus said?

I suppose not... :(

[Anathema]

Extreme situations result in extreme reactions.

[TMA_1]

hmmm read chapter 8 of romans. Also read Jesus' parable about the seeds scattered across a road, gravel, thorugh thorn bushes, and good soil. It shows that some accept and reject a bit later. They go to heaven. "We all fall short of grace of God." Nobody can save himself. It is hard to argue about this because for an unbeliever to understand is impossible.

[sneezer3]

It is hard to argue about this because for an unbeliever to understand is impossible.

Then why in the world are you saying anything about it if they cannot understand it?

Not true. If he accepts Jesus today, but starts cursing and hating Him tomorrow, does that person still go to heaven? Of course not.

Now let's tare Sneezer's posts apart...

i really hate seeing two people believe in God cut each other down like that. :(

Let me put it this way. i'l just let the bible do the talking for me.

I John 2:9-11

9"He that saith he is in the light and hateth his brother is in darkness even until now."

10"He that loveth his brother abideth in the light and there is none occasion of stumbling in him."

11"But he that hateh his brother is in darkness and hath blinded his eyes."

anyway. on to the next one.

"God will also judge us by our works"<fallowed by Quotes of 3 more verses>

No. he will give are rewards by are works. you will be juged by what you have done wrong and if your name isn't written in the book of life. and what you din't do when you knew God wanted you to do something and you know it and din't do it. you'l miss one.

And your takeing Matthew 5:16 out of context. its talking about people seeing your good works

And then they go back to showing the mistakes made by the Catholic Church in the past, including several statements by some rather dubious Popes. Again, this is totally irrelevant.

No. the pope is holy and anything he says is supose to be Ordained of God or something like that. Now if what he says is tottly irrelevet Then what you are saying is the Cathlics are wrong on that.

By the way. if a profites statements aren't 100% Right all of the time. then he isn't a profit of God. and there are no profits alive today

And you couldn't explan why the the popes and bishops.etc etc are not in the bible.

I did a search on the word "Pope" in the bible and nothing came up. neither did it with any of the others. and why that they have candles everwhere etc etc.

And explan 1 Timothy 2:5 "There is one God And one Mediator between God and man The man Christ Jesus"

This means you confess your sins *ONLY* to Jesus Christ. who then gives it to the father. nobody else. If we did this would also open up a chance for spying on somebody and telling others. even though that they swear not to.

That bastard will not get a single penny from me, you can be sure about that.

I thought you'd say something like that. thats exatly why i gave a link to another site thats not related to them.

By the way.

Matthew 5:44 "But i say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you and persecute you"

1 John 4:11 "Beloved if God so loved us we ought also to love one another."

12 <Next verse> No man hath seen God at any time. if we love one another, God dwelleth in us and his love is perfected in us."

Holy Communion - I do agree with him on this one. The bread and wine are symbolic. But that is irrelevant.

You need to study what they belive more before you go trying to unslander them ;D ;)