Truth of Mother Teresa

[zamboe]

Those millions are not in one single place.

It happened this way :

MT congretation (foundation) in INDIA received some money of donations.

MT congretation (foundation) in CENTRAL AFRICA received some money of donations.

MT congretation (foundation) in SOUTHWEST ASIA received some money of donations.

MT congretation (foundation) in CENTRAL AND SOUTH AMERICA received some money of donations.

Then someone added all those donation and come up with a big number (some million of US$ dollars), well that money were not under one single person control, but in several hands and with the pourpouse to serve hundreds of thousands of ill and poor people as well as for the basic needs of the missioners.

Besider those donations in most of the cases, were in goods, I mean, example, XXXXX Lab. gives a donation of 500.000 US$, but that a donation in drugs and hostipal basic tools, the donation is calculated on the market price, and delivered in partial shipments each month, so in the bottom line, let say they get less than 50,000 US$ per month in drugs, and that amount is not really big money to help ill people that has absolutely nothing.

No matter how much money MT foundation received and keeps receiving, it wouldn't be not near enough to make a substantial difference in the lives of so many poor and ill people and the missionares in far locations.

[Edric O]

A site that mentions the sources for its claims, instead of pulling everything out of a hat.

[Acriku]

Remember that she started out on her own, with one "foundation". The charities to this would have certainly gone into her hands, and is that all the money she got, and the only place she got money from? I sure don't know, but it would seem likely.

Edric: and what if the sources are biased? Should the sources show sources? What if the sources of the sources are biased?

[Edric O]

Acriku, are you saying it's okay to just go ahead and claim anything you want without showing any proof? And then ramble on about how it's the pure truth? ::)

Well excuse me if I'm not really impressed...

[Acriku]

I am saying that my accusations are true, but I have limited proof. You can't falsify anything just because I don't have sufficient proof for it, and I still don't see any sufficient proof that she did do the opposite of what I say.

I make a statement, you say I'm wrong, so prove it. And yes I'm lazy right now, just got back from school and ready to sit back and listen to Tool.

[Edric O]

Well I'm more tired than you! :) I got back from school less than 1 hour ago, at the end of a very hard 8-hour day (our schedule is a little screwed up and we got 8 classes piled up in a single day, while other days come with only 5 classes).

Bah, we're both exhausted. Let's just call it a draw. End this topic...

[Acriku]

Done and done.

[SurlyPIG]

Oy! I don't mean to offend anyone here, but the Catholic church is SO screwed up! Did you know they've spent $5,000,000,000 on settling in sexual harassment suits? Thats (left pinky to mouth in Dr. Evil voice) FIVE BILLION DOLLARS! BILLION TIMES FIVE!

To quote a comedian, "That's a lot of of payoff for Father BadTouch."

[Caid Ivik]

And were the hell you've heared this rumor? Are you a New Age agent or what? Nothing like it has been done.

[Edric O]

Errr, Ace, that's probably because they had no choice. What were they supposed to do, NOT defend their own priests? (who might not have been all guilty - innocent until proven guilty, remember?)

[Caid Ivik]

Of course they all are innocent. One "black sheep" and now all are guilty for them. Then when I say that because Bush is a moron, all yankees are too.

[zamboe]

Oy! I don't mean to offend anyone here, but the Catholic church is SO screwed up! Did you know they've spent $5,000,000,000 on settling in sexual harassment suits? Thats (left pinky to mouth in Dr. Evil voice) FIVE BILLION DOLLARS! BILLION TIMES FIVE!

To quote a comedian, "That's a lot of of payoff for Father BadTouch."

You are not offending anyone but those who commited ilegal acts.

However be more specific, plz, don't generalize saying that "Catholic church" as if all of them were screwed up, I would say some of them.

It's like saying, All iraqui people is screwed up, when we know that only the top gov really is.

Btw, I remember that the amount of money was less than the number you said, where did you get it ?

[SurlyPIG]

And were the hell you've heared this rumor? Are you a New Age agent or what? Nothing like it has been done.

It was released in a report called 'The Cost of Religion' a while ago. Just something to think about the next time that collection basket comes around.

Errr, Ace, that's probably because they had no choice. What were they supposed to do, NOT defend their own priests? (who might not have been all guilty - innocent until proven guilty, remember?)

Pardon me, this isn't just settlements. This is conviction damages as well. So it's $5,000,000,000 total. That's larger than many countries annual income. I just find it ironically funny. Not for the victims, of course. That's just sick. But these people are supposed to be the messengers of God, and look what they're doing. Then they have the nerve, after committing these unforgiveable acts, to scare their victims to death with threats of hell and banishment if they tell anyone.

Of course they all are innocent. One "black sheep" and now all are guilty for them. Then when I say that because Bush is a moron, all yankees are too.

LOL. I didn't make accusations against any in particular, or even a group of them. But obviously it's far more prevalent than you can possibly deny. I mean, a couple of deviant priests don't rack up a FIVE BILLION dollar bill of rape charges. And the vast majority of sexual abuse cases go un-noticed and the culprets are rarely brought to justice. The Catholic Church pays it as a whole.

You are not offending anyone but those who commited ilegal acts.

However be more specific, plz, don't generalize saying that "Catholic church" as if all of them were screwed up, I would say some of them.

It's like saying, All iraqui people is screwed up, when we know that only the top gov really is.

Btw, I remember that the amount of money was less than the number you said, where did you get it ?

Like I said to Caid, the Catholic Church as an organization represents ALL its employees in this matter. I'm sure there are many positive, productive, lawful priests out there, but, again, it takes quite a number of people to have THAT much charged against them.

Oh, and the $5 billion seems steep because it's in Canadian funds. That's about $3.2 billion US.

[Edric O]

The number of Catholic priests in the world is huge. Probably in the millions. Now, when you take such a large number of people, you can't avoid having some sick bastards among them. Statistically speaking, it was to be expected.

And you said it yourself: A lot of the money paid by the Church was for conviction damages. In other words, they HAD TO pay, because the judges ordered them to! You go on trial, you lose, you pay. That's how it goes.

Notice that the victims asked for a hell of a lot of money (which was perfectly justified). That's why the priests had to pay a hell of a lot of money.

[Acriku]

Well as they say, the Priests had no one else to have sex with.

[Edric O]

Bah, those sick bastards shouldn't have become priests in the first place. They gave the Church a bad name.

But, like I said, when you have so many priests worldwide, it is a statistical certainty that a few of them will be sick bastards.

[Acriku]

So you are saying there are a lot of Christian reverends playing around with the altarboys?

[Edric O]

I said that if you randomly pick a few million people, chances are a few of them (read: around 10 or so) will be paedophiles, or at least inclined to such things.

[zamboe]

Like I said to Caid, the Catholic Church as an organization represents ALL its employees in this matter. I'm sure there are many positive, productive, lawful priests out there, but, again, it takes quite a number of people to have THAT much charged against them.

Oh, and the $5 billion seems steep because it's in Canadian funds. That's about $3.2 billion US.

There are no employees in the Catholic Church, however the logic still makes some sence.

And the number you have, which seems to be correct, is the TOTAL of SUITS against the Catholic Church, and I won't be payed until the trials finish if the jury find those priests guilty.

[Caid Ivik]

And tell me, what do some individual, weak-believing persons with glorious mother Teresa?

And were the hell you've heared this rumor? Are you a New Age agent or what? Nothing like it has been done.

It was released in a report called 'The Cost of Religion' a while ago. Just something to think about the next time that collection basket comes around.

One report said about such debts of Church? And you think it's true, because one reporter has written it? I hoped nowadays people need more reasons to believe something. Believe in God is hard for you with such number of apparitions and you believe in one such article? Such rumor?

[Acriku]

So if many reporters wrote different versions of the the report but with the same numbers, would it be believed by over a billion people? ;)

[SurlyPIG]

I said that if you randomly pick a few million people, chances are a few of them (read: around 10 or so) will be paedophiles, or at least inclined to such things.

10? LOL! That is EXTREMELY wishful thinking, and totally unrealistic. 10? In the world? Come on, Edric, I know you're much more realistic than that. Do a search on the subject, it is FAR more prevalent than you would have imagined.

So you are saying there are a lot of Christian reverends playing around with the altarboys?

I'm sure it's happened, but it is WAY WAY WAY less prevalent than in the Catholic Church for a simple reason. Reverends aren't restricted to abstain from sex or marraige. The human body wasn't meant to be that way...The Catholic Church isn't the worst, though. The Jehova's Witness Church has been proved to disobey laws requiring them bring admitted sexual abuses to the police.

There are no employees in the Catholic Church, however the logic still makes some sence.

And the number you have, which seems to be correct, is the TOTAL of SUITS against the Catholic Church, and I won't be payed until the trials finish if the jury find those priests guilty.

I'm not sure if I read that right but this appears to have hit close to home...My apologies.

One report said about such debts of Church? And you think it's true, because one reporter has written it? I hoped nowadays people need more reasons to believe something. Believe in God is hard for you with such number of apparitions and you believe in one such article? Such rumor?

I do not delude myself that way. This is a global total of the suits of many countries of CONVICTIONS OR SETTLEMENTS payed off to vidtims by the Catholic Church. It's a total statistic. It's fact. It is not a rumour. But apparently nothing will sway your unwavering faith in these "messengers of god" (lol). An impressive shield of denial you've set up. May it serve you well.

[Edric O]

10? LOL! That is EXTREMELY wishful thinking, and totally unrealistic. 10? In the world? Come on, Edric, I know you're much more realistic than that. Do a search on the subject, it is FAR more prevalent than you would have imagined.

I said 10 out of a few million... but anyway, that number was just off the top of my head. If there are more, that just goes to prove my point further! If you pick a few million people (Catholic priests) randomly, it's natural that a few of them will be sick bastards. The statistics say so.

I'm sure it's happened, but it is WAY WAY WAY less prevalent than in the Catholic Church for a simple reason. Reverends aren't restricted to abstain from sex or marraige. The human body wasn't meant to be that way...

That just goes to show that the Catholic Church has higher moral standards. If you can't live up to those standards, you shouldn't become a priest in the first place.The human body is by its very nature sinful. Just because something is "natural" doesn't make it any less of a sin.

[Anathema]

I said 10 out of a few million... but anyway, that number was just off the top of my head. If there are more, that just goes to prove my point further! If you pick a few million people (Catholic priests) randomly, it's natural that a few of them will be sick bastards. The statistics say so.

Priests shouldn't be random persons. They should be a moral example to the followers of the church. And if a priests uses its position to satisfy his perverted sexual desires then he shouldn't have been priests in the first place, like you said.

[Caid Ivik]

I do not delude myself that way. This is a global total of the suits of many countries of CONVICTIONS OR SETTLEMENTS payed off to vidtims by the Catholic Church. It's a total statistic. It's fact. It is not a rumour. But apparently nothing will sway your unwavering faith in these "messengers of god" (lol). An impressive shield of denial you've set up. May it serve you well.

From what is that number counted? As Acriku replied, if this would be proven by more reporters, it would be considerable. But faith to any anti-christianic yells is more dangerous than any of their sinful acts. You should know that every one of these some individuals is quickly excomunicated from Church. And it isn't natural. It's influence of perverted culture. Some (and 10 isn't unreal number) are lured, but vast number is trying to protect us from it. How much psychologists are in their soul perverted too? Weren't Freud and Kinsley too? Not everyone sees only true value. Everyone is capable of being seduced. Even priest.