how racism really started

[quoudam72]

Well there has always been color prejudice and racism not that it makes either one good. Racism emerged out of the rise in the slave trade (Trans-Atlantic) in the eighteenth century. Racism first arose out of the white desire to exploit black (African descent) people economically - and it is maintained today for much the same reasons. The basis for this idea already existed in European culture in general and in Catholicism in particular, which held that those who were not believers in the 'one, true church' were inferior beings regarded as something less than human. The era of slavery introduced a whole system of beliefs which attempted to prove throught science that blacks (peoples of African descent) were less intelligent than whites, with smaller brains and a capacity only for manual labour. They were seen as uncivilised and barbaric. The existence of the great black civilisations has been hidden (or destroyed on purpose) from history - right down to the present day. Racism is pure garbage mankind at his utmost worst.

[Acriku]

The reigning African tribes hated other tribes because they were of a different tribe, thought to be much less than themselves and subjugated them. Is that not racism?

[Anathema]

Hardly. If a German person hates Dutch people, does that make him a racist?

[Acriku]

Earth, they enslaved them, hated them, only because of their difference in tribes.

[Anathema]

But they were just as black. People can hate eachother just because of the place they were born or because of their religious views.

[TMA_1]

there were alterier motives too. The many tribes that took other tribes into slavery did it also for goods and weapons. It was lucritive. All humans have greed. no matter who you are.

[Acriku]

So it wasn't exactly racism but it is very close to it, albeit there were no differences in race. There were alterior motives to slavery for Europeans, too, such as free labor and lotsa crops for nothing = moolah.

[TMA_1]

well racism entered into the whole situation as an excuse to have slaves. if you own something that isnt human than it isnt evil. That was the mindset. Like I said before a lot of social darwinism had to do with it. Looking at other races as inferior to the white race.

[Caid Ivik]

Well there has always been color prejudice and racism not that it makes either one good. Racism emerged out of the rise in the slave trade (Trans-Atlantic) in the eighteenth century. Racism first arose out of the white desire to exploit black (African descent) people economically - and it is maintained today for much the same reasons. The basis for this idea already existed in European culture in general and in Catholicism in particular, which held that those who were not believers in the 'one, true church' were inferior beings regarded as something less than human. The era of slavery introduced a whole system of beliefs which attempted to prove throught science that blacks (peoples of African descent) were less intelligent than whites, with smaller brains and a capacity only for manual labour. They were seen as uncivilised and barbaric. The existence of the great black civilisations has been hidden (or destroyed on purpose) from history - right down to the present day..

That's not very true, Netherland or England had state's, much more liberal churches. Roman Catholics were against slavery. Conflicts of RCs were caused by its medieval political power, which it lost after Kalvin, Hus and Luther's reformations. Non-believers were not less-humans, just enemies. This all caused that boom of nationalism, which led to WW2, but slavery was just a megalomania of nautical superpowers like England.

[Digital Guerrilla]

Well Caid Ivik what about 'The Spainish Inquisition' did not the lives of the South American peoples seem less than human to the Roman Catholics because the natives did not worship as the Europeans did.

[Caid Ivik]

That was not racist. South America same as North was not conquered for the God's will, but for Spanish lust for gold.

"Thou shalt neither vex a stranger, nor oppress him: for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt." - Ex 22,21

[quoudam72]

The Spanish Inquisition was used for both political and religious reasons. The Spanish monarchs wanted to deal with the problem of conversos or morranos (Jewish converts to Christianity who secretly practised their ancestral faith of Judaism). The Spanish Inquisition was also aimed against moriscos (converted Muslims who were thought still to be secret practitioners of the Islamic faith). The Spanish Inquisition was also active in the sixteenth century against alumbrados, spiritualists whose mystic tendencies went beyond orthodox bounds.

[TMA_1]

yup you are completely right quondam. You really know your stuff man.

[Caid Ivik]

And what has it with the racism? Also, it wasn't supported by Rome.

[quoudam72]

It was political but at the same time *racist you have to see the entire picture. Sandwratih made mention of the subject and that is why we were talking about it. Rome may have not supported the Inquisition but they did not do alot to stop it either.

*The Inquisition certainly did not limit itself to purifying only those of the Jewish faith. This was especially true if the accused was found to have any Jewish blood in his ancestry. Even if the accused was now a devout Christian, he was tried as severely as possible because of his roots. The accused was also not allowed to have a lawyer or counsel for his defense, and the names of all witnesses were kept secret from him (Roth, 1964).

So it was ethnic as well as it was religious purification. The difference between the Papal Inquisition and the Spainish Inquisition is that the Spainish Inquisition was given to secular authorities. These authorities had maintenance and perpetuation of the Inquisition. From the actions of the Spanish Inquisition, it is apparent it was an ethnic cleansing. The Spanish Inquisition and its actions caused 200,000 loyal, but Jewish, Spaniards to leave the country. In some ways the Spanish Inquisition was about more than just religious purity.

[nemafakei]

Racism has been around for a long time- we know that it is instinct by evolution to promote yourself and your kind over competition. Different races can be seen as competition, therefore efforts are made to do these other races down in favour of your own.

Less applicable today, of course, but that's where I think it must have started.

[TMA_1]

Nema just explained perfectly Social darwinism. It is pretty sad to see. Science has greatly contributed to racism. Ancients were far less judgmental towards race in many cultures. Though there are some that were even in ancient times.

[Anathema]

Science has greatly contributed to racism

In the end, even scientists are human beings ::).

[nemafakei]

Science has helped us explain and rationalise why it occurs. But science does not necessarily tell us whether or why it is right. It is the interpretation of science which can, as can the interpretation of otheer things - like religion.

[TMA_1]

yes, scientists can put bias' on things. correct nema. Interpritations are one thing. putting a bias based on personal beliefs is another. I still dont like how social darwinism puts its ideas in the way it does.

[Acriku]

Science has the power of destroying a thousand worlds, and science has the power of creating a thousand worlds.

[Anathema]

Yeah, if you want to outlaw science for that reason you also need to outlaw God ::).

[TMA_1]

wow, that was a jump off topic earthnuker.lol

[Anathema]

Didn't mean to bring us off topic, but if you start saying science did bad things you need to consider religion can also do bad things. Nevermind.

[Acriku]

I was just making up a quote, which means that science can do anything it is just a matter of what a human does with it.