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[sneezer3]

Don't get me wrong, Emprworm, I agree with you about Clinton. Commiting adultery anywhere makes him moral filth in my eyes. But then again, most politicians were/are moral filth way before they get into any office, so I don't see why you're making such a big deal about it. I mean, it should not have come as a surprise... I never expect a President (of any country) to have any moral values whatsoever. If he had them, he would never have made it to the top.

Somebody willing to Commitit adultery in office. is preety bad.

If he don't even have moral values then why should he be

government of the united states?

If he don't care to do that. then it wouldn't bother him to raise taxs while he is at it. and a lot of other stuff. anything you could think of just about.

Such has lieing under oath

[emprworm]

well i disagree with Edric on the premise that in order to hold a government office you must be corrupt. i think he's right in that there are many corrupt people in government but that doesn't necissate all of them. i agree that in order to be president of the US you need either fame or material wealth. GW Bush is not nearly as materially wealthy as others in government are. and compared to corporate big shots and hollywood movie stars, gw bush is minimum wage. But he had a lot of fame (he was well known) and from his home state texas, he had a terrific reputation as being an honorable leader. He has a lot of good qualities. A lot of his money for his campaign came from republican party funding (his political party). I think (correct me if i'm wrong someone) that the US president makes $250,000 per year. that aint very much for 4 years. a pilot of a boeing 747 can make 150k per year and he's only in charge of 200 passengers. the president is in charge of the whole military. Heck movie stars like Tom Hanks can make 12 MILLION PER MOVIE.

Alex Rodriguez, a baseball player for the Texas rangers signed the biggest sports contract in history-- 252 MILLION DOLLARS FOR 10 YEARS http://espn.go.com/mlb/news/2000/1210/937273.html

WOW! Thats a lot of cash for playing a game.

so GW bush is NOT some opulent rich guy driving porches and ferrari's. GW Bush is not even in the same league as the Tom Hanks' and Alex Rodriguez's of the world. He would NOT be classified as a fortune 500 rich guy.

he's not even close.

[Edric O]

Like all politicians, Bush doesn't want money. He wants power. And he's got more power in these 4 short years than Tom Hanks could even dream of!

[emprworm]

he doesn't have as much power as you think Edric. being a president of the US (thankfully) lasts only 4 years (8 tops) and you cant just do whatever you want. you dont understand our system of government very well. true power does not lie with the president of the US. In a dictatorship like Romania aka 1987, there was true power at the hands of the leader. There was true power in the hands of Stalin. True power in the hands of Hitler, Hussein, Kim Jong of North Korea. These men have true power because they can say & do whatever they please and their people have no recourse. They can kill at will, make law. They are judge and jury both for all matters of state. This is not the case with the US president. The US president must be an excellent diplomat. He cannot be some unilateral cowboy doing whatever he pleases.

What is exactly is this power you claim Bush has? Power to do what?

[Anathema]

I think it is mainly that Bush wants to be remembered as the pres that brought victory. Victory, that is, against a bunch of guys armed with outdated rifles when you got the newest military equipment ::).

[undsputed]

Haha...be that as it may Erthnuker, I like victory over anyone who poses a problem, whether it be a superpower like China (not that I'm saying they are a problem) or a country like Iraq (with the outdated rifles :)

[emprworm]

this sounds kind of archaic, but one outdated warhead of VX gas will still kill a million modern humans.

[Edric O]

he doesn't have as much power as you think Edric. being a president of the US (thankfully) lasts only 4 years (8 tops) and you cant just do whatever you want. you dont understand our system of government very well. true power does not lie with the president of the US.

On the contrary, I understand it very well. Our current system is very similar to yours (many things were directly copied). I know how limited Bush's power is. But nevertheless, he does have more power than everyone else in the world. And my bet is that this power, however limited, is what Bush is after. Not for the sake of it, but because he can use his position to... influence certain people... pull some strings... and leave office in a much better financial position than before. Either that, or he is trying to make some very powerful friends.

[Acriku]

A president can actually have 11 years and 364 1/4 days of presidency. Not true? Well let's think about it. President A is elected and loves his first day of presidency. But oh no, look Jimmy President A has been shot. What. Will. We. Do. I know mister! said Jimmy. We will put Vice President B into office! Thanks Jimmy, I said, I am glad American Government classes have taught you well. Yes, Vice President B will be made President B. But he is not elected Jimmy. After the "substitute" term, the president can run for two more terms, because then he will still only be elected for 2 terms, while in reality serving 3. Wow mister, the government is actually fun to learn about! said Jimmy. Yes I know, I said.

[emprworm]

bush has some power, yes, that is definately true. But his international power is limited only to military use of force. he has no real power to go into another country and do 'whatever'. congress can grant him the authority to use the military to smash an enemy but in today's world, seeking allied approval for such an action is necessary. The US presidents international power to 'get things done' is restricted virtually solely to the diplomatic process. this is not real power. He cant just say "Hey Mr. Putin, I dont like how you are handling the Cehchnyan Crisis. I am going to make the decisions now. PERIOD. You *will* obey my wishes or your name will be 'Pukin'. " Bush's power is virtually completely domestic.

[Anathema]

this sounds kind of archaic, but one outdated warhead of VX gas will still kill a million modern humans.

First, a scud missile can be taken out by patriot missiles. Second, you can't be sure Iraq has this kind of equipment.

Thirdly, the US would bomb everything flat first so there is little risk to you.

[emprworm]

Second, you can't be sure Iraq has this kind of equipment

we cant be sure that gravity exists in the Andromeda Galaxy, but its a pretty rational assumption

[Acriku]

The United States will not bomb everything flat, because of a simply philosophy : War is not violence and killing. It is controlled violence, for a purpose. The purpose of war is for the soldier to support his/her government's decisions by force. You don't cut a baby's head off to teach it a lesson right? You paddle it, just like you don't bomb the country flat, as it would be to spank a baby with an axe.

[alejandro]

The United States will not bomb everything flat, because of a simply philosophy : War is not violence and killing. It is controlled violence, for a purpose. The purpose of war is for the soldier to support his/her government's decisions by force.

1. United States loves bomb everithing

2. War IS violence and killing

3. The controled violence doesnt exist, is an ilusion made by politicians.

4. The only purpose of war is prepare the next war.

[Acriku]

1. If America loved bombing everything there will be no middle east, now would there? Or in Cuba?

2. I actually wrote that from StarShip Troopers the book. ::)

3. See above.

4. See above.

[alejandro]

1. If America loved bombing everything there will be no middle east, now would there? Or in Cuba?

2. I actually wrote that from StarShip Troopers the book. ::)

3. See above.

4. See above.

1. America loves bomb everything, the only reason the didn do it(for now) is that the UN, the arabic countries...didn let them.

2. If an sci-fic book is your guide to understand the war you have some mind problems.

[Acriku]

1. That's opinionated, so I won't say it's wrong, but America has shown great restraint ever since 09/11.

2. It was a joke, for those who read books :P

[emprworm]

1. United States loves bomb everithing

2. War IS violence and killing

3. The controled violence doesnt exist, is an ilusion made by politicians.

4. The only purpose of war is prepare the next war.

1. America loves bomb everything, the only reason the didn do it(for now) is that the UN, the arabic countries...didn let them.

LOL, alex how old are you? Your parents feed you this garbage? the US does not take orders from the UN. Just who exactly in the UN is going to "invade" the US if we dont do something they like? You think the UN doesn't "let us" do something? LOL

ROFL. The US does not bomb everything little man, otherwise you would be bombed. If the US decided to bomb the entire middle east tomorrow, then it will happen tomorrow. And theres nothing the UN can do to stop it. But guess what? THE US DOES NOT BOMB EVERYTHING so I am wondering who has the mind problems.

again, how old are you because the way you speak ("America loves bomb everything") either means English is not your main language or you are very young.

[alejandro]

1. United States loves bomb everithing

2. War IS violence and killing

3. The controled violence doesnt exist, is an ilusion made by politicians.

4. The only purpose of war is prepare the next war.

1. America loves bomb everything, the only reason the didn do it(for now) is that the UN, the arabic countries...didn let them.

LOL, alex how old are you? Your parents feed you this garbage? the US does not take orders from the UN. Just who exactly in the UN is going to "invade" the US if we dont do something they like? You think the UN doesn't "let us" do something? LOL

ROFL. The US does not bomb everything little man, otherwise you would be bombed. If the US decided to bomb the entire middle east tomorrow, then it will happen tomorrow. And theres nothing the UN can do to stop it. But guess what? THE US DOES NOT BOMB EVERYTHING so I am wondering who has the mind problems.

again, how old are you because the way you speak ("America loves bomb everything") either means English is not your main language or you are very young.

1. US must do what UN said, because they cant win a war against the entire world, and the fear of UN sanction is the only reason that stops US before 11-S

2. English isnt obviously my main language

[Edric O]

US must do what UN said, because they cant win a war against the entire world

Actually, they could.

That is, if nukes are not used. In the event of nuclear war, there would be no "world" left for the winner to rule. Unless you're fond of smoldering radioactive ash.

But please stay out of this, Alex. With all due respect, you have no idea what you are talking about. And Emprworm seems to be quite enraged right now...

[emprworm]

lol its ok Edric. Im cool. He obviously doesn't really know what he's talking about! I cant believe he actually thinks the US wants to bomb the whole world. LOL i wonder what kind of garbage he is learning in his 9th grade classes. O well

That is the kind of mentality you have when you live in a little hole out in the middle of nowhere and you never even leave the borders of your villiage. You get paraniod and start thinking wierd things like Alex

[Anathema]

Of course the US could easily beat the world in a conventional war. The UN isn't going to invade them if they don't behave ::). But the UN countries would find another way of punishment, like raising import fees for American goods. That alone would do to keep the US from bombing the middle east.

[undsputed]

Yea, I doubt most countries would want to enforce something agains the U.S. Most of these countries, like France or Russia, aren't even interested in taking part in action against threats that can be dealt with more easily.

The US has said it can and just may act independent of the UN. Not only that, but the US may lead a group of countries, including England, Italy, Spain, etc. who are in support of the action.

The idea that war is bad is too simplistic. There are times when you have no choice. There are times when you have to get the courage and put your life on the line. France in WW2 never worked up much courage :) Them and other ocuntries in Europe allowed things to go too far before they realised they had no choice. The cost of waiting was a terrible war where millions of deaths could have been prevented!

The answer is simple: If places like Iraq continue to come up with lies and "mistakes" then they should pay the price. Why would you let a country keep delaying until it is finally to late? If a bombing can help get Saddam outta power as we use ground force at the same time, then perhaps that is the best choice now...while the costs to human life would still be low and the people of Iraq could see better futures. Foreign aid will pour in and a healthy govt. can be established that is FOR the people, as any govt. should be.

[Dunenewt]

I say more power to the UK!

[alejandro]

lol its ok Edric. Im cool. He obviously doesn't really know what he's talking about! I cant believe he actually thinks the US wants to bomb the whole world. LOL i wonder what kind of garbage he is learning in his 9th grade classes. O well

That is the kind of mentality you have when you live in a little hole out in the middle of nowhere and you never even leave the borders of your villiage. You get paraniod and start thinking wierd things like Alex

I know perfectly what i am talking about, but you have some serious problems to understand everything. I havent said that US wants to bomb the whole world, only that US loves bomb something or somebody when they can, and that is true because is a militaristic country(one of hundreds), I am learning nothing in 9th grade(im older than you and left the School long time ago)and when i do it i learn more about everything than you in all your life.

Ah Edric, US army couldnt win a conventional war against the world, couldtn win only Russian and Chinese army, so stop drinking ;D ;D