Why don't we start tournaments??

[Gobalopper]

You modified your hosts file to send the data to the server instead of to the WOL server. This is from the help page:

The FED2k Ladder works with both Westwood Online (WOL) and the XWIS server created by Olaf van der Spek.

If you are playing on the XWIS server all you need to do is run this config tool once and Emperor will automatically log you into the new server and your game reports are sent automatically to the ladder.

If you want to play on WOL and have your games reported to the ladder you will need to modify your hosts file to make it similar to this one. More details on where your hosts file is located and how to edit it are below.

 

[Gruntlord6]

You modified your hosts file to send the data to the server instead of to the WOL server. This is from the help page:

Interesting. 

[Gobalopper]

I'm not sure if Dune 2000 reported the same way but if it did, or it was similar, it shouldn't be that hard to set it up to report here.

[Gruntlord6]

I'm not sure if Dune 2000 reported the same way but if it did, or it was similar, it shouldn't be that hard to set it up to report here.

I will keep that in mind when we go through setting up the server.

[athanasios]

If you want my 2 cents:

I also hate engineers ruining the game before it warms up and harvesters being destroyed in a snap. You hear that ridiculous: Harvester under attack and it is already gone!  I 'd  recommend engineers to cost x3 and harvesters to have a x2 stronger shield so everyone is happy. ;-)

[Gruntlord6]

If you want my 2 cents:

I also hate engineers ruining the game before it warms up and harvesters being destroyed in a snap. You hear that ridiculous: Harvester under attack and it is already gone!  I 'd  recommend engineers to cost x3 and harvesters to have a x2 stronger shield so everyone is happy. ;-)

I have tried in the past, but the only thing to make harvesters stronger is to increase the health, which doesn't help much in practice.

[THE AQIB]

It hasn't been used in a long time but we have a ladder site for Emperor here:

http://ladder.dune2k.com/

If I remember correctly it recorded every game but checked the game settings to determine what was a valid ladder match.

now that's something interesting...

[Feda]

If you want my 2 cents:

I also hate engineers ruining the game before it warms up and harvesters being destroyed in a snap. You hear that ridiculous: Harvester under attack and it is already gone!  I 'd  recommend engineers to cost x3 and harvesters to have a x2 stronger shield so everyone is happy. ;-)

At least you have a decent solution: you're not REMOVING parts of the game, that way killing the 2 of 3-4 "tactics" available...

[Gruntlord6]

At least you have a decent solution: you're not REMOVING parts of the game, that way killing the 2 of 3-4 "tactics" available...

I mean I would never want to outright disable a unit like the engineer, although its very easy for me to do without affecting single player. It is a unit that is unique to this game series (I think C&C might also have it, but not many other games have a unit like it). It adds quite a bit of character and strategy, as you can gain access to other houses tech trees by taking control of their buildings, not to mention net free harvesters etc. In practice mode engineer spam seems like its the AI's biggest tactic, and I question its efficiency when they are so easy to kill. It also encourages you to guard your base at each entry, which is good practice in general because an unexpected attack could come from any kind of infantry.

 

Anyone have any ideas? Again, I do NOT want to disable key features, otherwise there's little point in playing the game. I could possibly adjust the price of the units, IE: cheaper harvester, slightly more expensive engineer, but I think the prices are good as is.

[Feda]

The prices are ok in my opinion, the thing i'd change is the building speed of tanks so it wont be all about who spams more units (brute force) but of course thats not 100% sure to fix something and needs testings.

[Gruntlord6]

The prices are ok in my opinion, the thing i'd change is the building speed of tanks so it wont be all about who spams more units (brute force) but of course thats not 100% sure to fix something and needs testings.

That would affect single player too, but it could possibly be for the better. You thinking something big? Like 25% slower?

[Feda]

Yeah 25% would be a good value to start with. Then test it and if it needs to be increased/decreased, we do that and go test again with the new value. Then repeat steps if needed.

[Gruntlord6]

Yeah 25% would be a good value to start with. Then test it and if it needs to be increased/decreased, we do that and go test again with the new value. Then repeat steps if needed.

I will probably end up deploying the vanilla game first and see how the launch goes.

[Shaokhan]

well first off,

as I said, before server is up, any discussion about balance and new content is useless, but i'll still answer it

 

Gruntlord: I don't know if PvPGN supports ladders, perhaps it will be in the documentation or in FAQ on their site. If you need compiled version, let me know.

 

About the engineers, by all means you can just make a tickbox to decide whether you want the engineers in game or not similar to worms or crates, but if it was up to me, I would just remove them. Keep in mind I'm mentioning only multiplayer. The reason being very solid, as it is overpowered unit, suitable only for noobs and low skill players and gives quite unfair advantage. And this is not even so much problem for me, as I can see just about almost anything nowadays, but for other players, if you need to stay alert the whole game just to avoid getting engineered by a small moving pixel on map that you did not see, that's just ridiculously bad game play and I'm not the only one who thinks that. All people who play online don't want to play with them. Only some guys here complain that I have never seen on Hamachi playing, how would they know the gameplay with them is good?

 

to Feda

you are right, maybe you should just stick with AI, at least that you can handle. Your comments are complete bullshit, u have no idea what ur talking about. You are complaing about rules and how u suck with rules (which is very true) and you want to play no rules.... And when we played u without them, u got raped even more and then u said ur off to another game. I just couldn't stop laughing. And your blabber about strategy. Why don't you show us your strategy? All that you did was copied a strategy from tano, u had no idea why or how it works, u did it so wrong and u failed on it hard. Why don't you show us your own strategy if you are such a master at that? Are you hiding it as a treasure? You just build couple tanks, attack, fail and leave game with some absurd excuse. Or version B, you play some noob and beat them because they are new to the game or are just much worse. I know what it is... you got nothing man, no fast reaction, no unit control, no strategy, nothing. So it would be nice if you could just shut up and don't post or talk about this crap again. We don't want to hear it, there are many active players on Hamachi these days and nobody complains about it like you. No one is gonna make game that fits just YOU, because A) its ridiculous and B) nothing like that will ever exist because you will suck at it all. And 1 more thing, I myself can play with or without rules.... I dont give a damn, the only problem is that if you play with rush the game often doesn't last 12 mins, but 4 minutes, and that's not quite entertaining for anyone, maybe only for you, could beat you 15 times an hour at this pace, I'm sure you would love it.

 

About slowing down production: This will not help you feda, your unit control is so bad that you will still suck even with this change and then you will quit the game.... no point in this change, don't try to change the core concept of the game. There is no air, no naval units, no cloaked units, everything is limited, if you try to limit it more, it will suck more. The game is fun as it is and has not been done well to be played on small maps.

 

Conclusion: The rules were made because of poorly balanced game by westwood. Sure they can be forbidden or ignored, but the gameplay suffers and the game is not fun any more for most people.

[athanasios]

if you need to stay alert the whole game just to avoid getting engineered by a small moving pixel on map that you did not see,

Thats true, but the solution is NOT to remove them. The issue is with the colors used in the minimap. the contrast is so little that they go undetected. We should change them to be more bright.

[Gruntlord6]

Thats true, but the solution is NOT to remove them. The issue is with the colors used in the minimap. the contrast is so little that they go undetected. We should change them to be more bright.

I am simply not going to strip features from the game unless it becomes a huge issue. I would be much more open to another solution, so coming up with a good one is the way you guys should be spending your time, rather then arguing for the fact that I should remove them. I will most likely launch the server vanilla.

If you want to compile a version of pvpgn that uses SQL, that would be perfect. PVPGN 100% supports ladders, although I think the game would also have to support it, meaning we would need a server script to monitor wins/losses if dune does not.

 

As for the arguing, take it to PMs,  this is not the place.

[Feda]

Dude if u want drama then do u really want me to tell u how many ppl hate u, how many ppl left this game because of your retarded behavior? Dont come here to look intelligent, youre not. You should help new players improve not tell them that they suck too much to play with you. I copied a tactic from tano, fine, at least he, as an old player, showed me something, not like you. You do nothing except being obsessed to play long game & show others your skill (we dont give a shit) , not teaching them anything. "maybe he should leave if he cant handle", thats your style man. Then be surprised why most of new players never stay more than 2 days and leave instantly when they see you. If u cant see engineers or cant put some damn units to defend against them just gtfo and dont come to cry here, you can engineer ppl too. And engineers arent a "unit for noobs" : if ppl can win with that it means they are a good unit.

You really think everybody loves you? Ok good luck with that ;) keep living in your perfect world where everybody except feda and prfs do what u want like slaves. Dont worry when i heared you're back i stopped even joining hamachi. And i have no idea when I ragequit that way u said, I even recorded that tano tactic fail when i lost, its on YT, perhaps some lies to make u look cool? You're just lame, why dont u just stay on hamachi and stop coming on these forums causing drama? I didnt attack u at all before now . Yeah man i can stick to AI and its fun, at least im doing something for this game, campaigns, missions etc. not only talking like you. The proof i didnt leave dune is represented by the campaigns and tuts i make. I only left online, mainly because of being sick to see your comments and the way u, as the best player, was like "me and storm vs all, i dont want noob allies, you suck i dont want u as ally" telling that to many ppl.

Hamachi has become a drama & arguing nest: dato vs prfs, you vs prfs, me vs you... I just hate drama and those times in last few months when i joined i saw only drama, either you or dato or prfs. I just hope you guys enjoy that... I prefer to play other games then where ppl are friendly and u dont get raged if u tell your own opinion. We shouldnt be arguing here nor anywhere else: what for? But don't come to provoke me.

As for PvPGN im pretty sure it has ladders.

[Shaokhan]

grunt: fairly, it doesnt really matter at all at this point if you remove them or not, do you still use MSN?

 

feda, do yourself favor and delete that crap you just wrote, if you want to just play AI, don't post in this thread! thx! You just came here talking about something you have no clue about. And the only real reason u left is cuz u suck, nobody forces u to play me, u could just do noob bashing all day, and there is drama in every online game btw, so maybe time to wake up, im on a certain skill level and I have right to play people of similar skill and there is no point to play players who are 10 levels below me, those guys can learn from videos or other new players, there is no need for me to play them, they wouldnt learn anything anyway. If someone is so bad, that's his problem, he has the possibility to practice and improve and if he asks me I can help or give advice. And saying someone left the game because of me is just bs and seriously, don't post the crap here, you started it. I just replied to a dead thread with a new idea and then YOU come up saying how it sucks and stuff. If you want to have server with gruntlord to play only u 2 players, fine do that. I'm just stating what most people who actually DO play the game want.

[Feda]

grunt: fairly, it doesnt really matter at all at this point if you remove them or not, do you still use MSN?

 

feda, do yourself favor and delete that crap you just wrote, if you want to just play AI, don't post in this thread! thx! You just came here talking about something you have no clue about. And the only real reason u left is cuz u suck, nobody forces u to play me, u could just do noob bashing all day, and there is drama in every online game btw, so maybe time to wake up, im on a certain skill level and I have right to play people of similar skill and there is no point to play players who are 10 levels below me, those guys can learn from videos or other new players, there is no need for me to play them, they wouldnt learn anything anyway. If someone is so bad, that's his problem, he has the possibility to practice and improve and if he asks me I can help or give advice. And saying someone left the game because of me is just bs and seriously, don't post the crap here, you started it. I just replied to a dead thread with a new idea and then YOU come up saying how it sucks and stuff. If you want to have server with gruntlord to play only u 2 players, fine do that. I'm just stating what most people who actually DO play the game want.

Ok man lets finish it, Im sick to argue with you everywhere. Don't worry I'm not playing it online anymore, so u wont see me on hamachi except when I need to play other games on it. I didnt start anything, I told u how retarded is to say that we need to delete engineers, thing that no one except you here agreed with.  That thing with ppl leaving cuz of u is true, I'm sry I didnt screenshot that message on YT where that guy told me this, I didnt think I'll ever need this. I'm not deleting anything, the post is just ok. For a game that has max 15 active players, this ammount of drama is not good, so maybe try to think for a second before comparing dune2k to other games that have 100+ (at least) players every day.

 

And sry but I can post where I want and express my opinion in any topic I want. Maybe ask admins to ban me just because I posted in a topic related to online lol.

 

Conclusion: I'm done, I dont wanna fight with you anymore so thats it. 

[Gruntlord6]

grunt: fairly, it doesnt really matter at all at this point if you remove them or not, do you still use MSN?

not really, and its being shutdown anyway. skype: dylanhunt26

[DLAsteef]

D2k has always been with nerthh rules feda. It was widely excepted by all best players and clans. I understand your view on it, but New games like starcraft are just different from dune. The rules made This game much nicer and the games longer for most people! But hey u can always play ur own rules right? Just make sure u fight an enemy that agrees!

:)

[Feda]

I wasnt refering to new games, not even starcraft, I was thinking about C&C and RA (both 1) which are kinda similar to dune, but I understand your point and respect it, whatever the posts above may look like. :) Thank you for the nice way of talking. Probably best solution would be to play both of them but thats something you guys will decide. Good luck anyway, I'm kinda sorry I left dune when DLA is back , was curious to see more oldies :d

[Gruntlord6]

D2k has always been with nerthh rules feda. It was widely excepted by all best players and clans. I understand your view on it, but New games like starcraft are just different from dune. The rules made This game much nicer and the games longer for most people! But hey u can always play ur own rules right? Just make sure u fight an enemy that agrees!

:)

Likely we will start vanilla and work on it from there. I will be playing as well, so no need to worry about issues with gameplay, ill be there and will likely be experiencing them as well should they arise.

[THE AQIB]

anyone know to hack dune 2000???

until someone can no-one can fix dune and its system....

[Gruntlord6]

anyone know to hack dune 2000???

until someone can no-one can fix dune and its system....

There are plenty of tools out that can edit nearly every aspect of dune.....