Davidu Posted October 26, 2004 Share Posted October 26, 2004 By looking on Van's low banner I just realized that there's no representation of the banners in Dune around here. Not even the Atreides flag.Now what are the REAL flags of House Harkonnen? House Corrino? IX? Guild? Bene Gesserit? Bene Tleilaxu? I only know the Atreides flag, and Van did it right: green on top and black below. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanguard3000 Posted October 28, 2004 Share Posted October 28, 2004 Well, the originals didn't really go into this, as knowing every little detail isn't really that important to the story. Thankfully, we have the prequels to demystify everything now. What would we do without them?House Atreides:-Green and black. Simple.-The red hawk being on the banner may/may not be standard. Paul's visions of his jihad seem to imply that only the former Atreides soldiers (i.e. who served the Duke before Arrakis) had the red hawk.House Harkonnen:-In Dune, the Harkonnen banner is orange, or at least partially so.-Heretics of Dune describes the Harkonnen no-globe as being mainly blue and white. The DE agrees with this. This seems to have stuck, and blue-with-white-griffins banners and the like are mentioned ad nauseum in the prequels.House Corrino:-(prequels, and DE, though the originals seem to agree) White, with a gold lion.-The DE portrayed the gold/white as being the "royal flag". The Sardaukar flag was said to be black. Just black.Ginaz/House Ginaz:-Yellow/gold and black in the DE.(The rest are strictly mentioned in the prequels)The Landsraad:-Teal and brown. Blech.House Moritani:-Yellow and purple? Purple and black? Something like that.Ix/House Vernius:-Purple, with a copper helix symbolI really can't remmeber any more, but it's a start. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nemafakei Posted October 28, 2004 Share Posted October 28, 2004 Incidentally, Van, heraldry would expect you to outline your hawk with 'argent' (white) or 'or' (gold/yellow), since it is inappropriate to place a colour on a colour; they are usually separated by a metal. A line between black and green might also look nice. There are other metals that you might consider using for other banners a dark grey for the Sardaukar (I remember some of their uniform was dark grey) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanguard3000 Posted October 29, 2004 Share Posted October 29, 2004 I had made variants in the past that observed the rule of tincture (you have only to search the forum for "heraldry" and you'll know I'm no fool on the subject. ;)), but I found this one looked better, for a flag, anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nemafakei Posted October 29, 2004 Share Posted October 29, 2004 Ah, I knew there was at least someone here who knew heraldry, I just couldn't remember who it was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunenewt Posted October 29, 2004 Share Posted October 29, 2004 House Richese had an hourglass. I can't remember what colour though, but it was mentioned in the prequels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tezcatlipoca Posted October 29, 2004 Share Posted October 29, 2004 I myself attempt to stick primarilly to the Original series for information. As such, this subject (as mentioned by vanguard) is fairly unresolved. However, there are some indications that one can draw conclusions from. When making skins for my Tribes DUNE mod, we had to include some sort of banners or flags. To do so, we interpolated what we could from the original books, and filled in the blanks where we could. Note, we did not use heraldry rules for it, because we never bothered to look into it. I think it's well to note that this (and the importance of it) would very by the culture you're looking into. Looking into a civilization thats tens of thousands of years into the future, one would expect to have a lot of changes. None the less here are the version we came up with, along with either our thought process, or our quotes from the book. Note that we have a variety of each emblem, and some change throughout them. The atredies for example has a more iconic look to the hawk on differen surfaces:House Atreides-"He pointed out the window to the Atreides green and black banner hanging limply from a Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanguard3000 Posted October 30, 2004 Share Posted October 30, 2004 Thanks for the quotes, Tez (err... mind if I call you that? You can call me Vanny in exchange. ;)). After posting my last post, I went to bed, and before nodding my way to dreamland, I wondered why I didn't bring your Tribes mod up. Your Vernuis banner is very nice, and I recalled you using the Harkonnen orange H symbol (it was the "Feyd's fete" quote that really stood out in my mind). I had never seen your Atreides flag; it looks superb!I think you're right, Christ. I remmeber the prequels mentioning the Richese symbol being an hourglass. I think their colours were also purple and copper, like House Vernius. I remember Leto wearing a ceremonial cape that his father had worn during his marriage, which had both the green-black Atreides colours and purple-copper Richese colours, signifying the political bond between the two Houses through marriage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diddily Posted January 5, 2005 Share Posted January 5, 2005 I found this topic and since I am the one who did most of the artwork itself (which only got done due to the slave-driver-like tactics of Tez) I figured I'd post the original (and higher quality) versions...House Atreides:House Harkonnen:House Corrino:Bene Tleilaxu:And an example of the other kind of Bene Tleilaxu emblem:IX:Minor House 1:Minor House 2:[attachment archived by Gobalopper] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanguard3000 Posted January 5, 2005 Share Posted January 5, 2005 Very nice, Diddily. The Atreides banner looks especially nice in high-res. I also like the alternate Tlailaxu emblem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diddily Posted January 5, 2005 Share Posted January 5, 2005 I could make it a banner if you are interested... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf Posted March 21, 2005 Share Posted March 21, 2005 I always thought that House Harkonnen would be a blue banner with a white griffen on it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMA_1 Posted March 22, 2005 Share Posted March 22, 2005 wait a sec, in the prequels, I remember richese having two symbols on their flag. If I remember right one of them is a lamp (oil lamp it seems if I remember right), is this true? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tako Posted March 22, 2005 Share Posted March 22, 2005 I think so, I do remember the same thing, must be the first book where it is told that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diddily Posted March 25, 2005 Share Posted March 25, 2005 wait a sec, in the prequels, I remember richese having two symbols on their flag. If I remember right one of them is a lamp (oil lamp it seems if I remember right), is this true?Well, if your speaking in reference to the pictures posted, we tried our very very best to use the canon whenever we could. So if the prequels said something, that wasn't our territory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanguard3000 Posted March 26, 2005 Share Posted March 26, 2005 wait a sec, in the prequels, I remember richese having two symbols on their flag. If I remember right one of them is a lamp (oil lamp it seems if I remember right), is this true?You might eb thinking of Paulus' wedding cape, which had both the Atreides green/black/hawk, and the lamp insignia of House Richese. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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