GUNWOUNDS Posted May 20, 2004 Posted May 20, 2004 :-[____________________________________________http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/05/20/congress.abuse/index.html________________________________________________however there are always rotten apples in a barrel..... so we shouldnt denounce the entire US Army for the deeds of a sick few.. :(
nemafakei Posted May 20, 2004 Posted May 20, 2004 Uh, do you mean the new pictures, or the abuse in general? If the former, why would the killers have seen them? If the latter, well, yes... not exactly new.
GUNWOUNDS Posted May 20, 2004 Author Posted May 20, 2004 Uh, do you mean the new pictures, or the abuse in general? If the former, why would the killers have seen them? If the latter, well, yes... not exactly new.No its not new .. but when you see the pictures it makes it a bit more real....I didnt understand the exact extent.... its very much downplayed here in US.
Acriku Posted May 20, 2004 Posted May 20, 2004 What? I've been watching MSNBC and CNN and have not caught a break in seeing these pictures and more, including information about them. Perhaps the scandal is the cause of the beheading, and more support is the fact that Berg was captured a while before that, and this scandal stirred them to end it.
ordos45 Posted May 20, 2004 Posted May 20, 2004 There are a lot of unreleased ones, like prisoners being sodomized with glowsticks.
Dante Posted May 20, 2004 Posted May 20, 2004 Really? I hadn't heard of that. The British media must be afraid of the word...
ordos45 Posted May 20, 2004 Posted May 20, 2004 It was one of the headlines on Drudge Report one day. The man may be something of a muckraker, but he does a good job showing things.
Terror Posted May 20, 2004 Posted May 20, 2004 Someone told me that the Muslims beheaded Berg because the American soldiers misbehave themselves among Iraqi's... including Iraqi women if you know what i mean...
Dante Posted May 20, 2004 Posted May 20, 2004 I wouldn't be surprised. In fact the only thing that does surprise me is that I haven't seen any reports of it....yet.
nemafakei Posted May 20, 2004 Posted May 20, 2004 "its very much downplayed here in US"Ah, yes, I remember, you put on 'patriotic' things like Giuliani giving evidence at the same time as inquiries into abuses and trials (Wednesday)... gives your news channels an excuse not to alienate their audience by showing them favourable reports. Gives the BBC hell because they end up effectivly channel-hopping, let alone the viewers.Well, we're all very aware of it here. And mostly quite shocked, not only at the mistreatment, but also at the 1-year jail sentence and demotion for the first of your criminals. Even in America, if someone started doing those sorts of things, they would be given vastly more punishment than these military courts even have the power to (1yr is the greatest prison sentence they can give, as I recall).
GUNWOUNDS Posted May 20, 2004 Author Posted May 20, 2004 "its very much downplayed here in US"Ah, yes, I remember, you put on 'patriotic' things like Giuliani giving evidence at the same time as inquiries into abuses and trials (Wednesday)... gives your news channels an excuse not to alienate their audience by showing them favourable reports. Gives the BBC hell because they end up effectivly channel-hopping, let alone the viewers.Well, we're all very aware of it here. And mostly quite shocked, not only at the mistreatment, but also at the 1-year jail sentence and demotion for the first of your criminals. Even in America, if someone started doing those sorts of things, they would be given vastly more punishment than these military courts even have the power to (1yr is the greatest prison sentence they can give, as I recall).Even though i thoroughly detest what these soldiers did... they are still US Soldiers...
nemafakei Posted May 20, 2004 Posted May 20, 2004 Serious insanity requires restriction and rehabilitation. Elsewise, I'm not asking for life imprisonment. A few years in an Iraqi jail after the US has left would be welcome, mind (as well as appropriate).
Acriku Posted May 21, 2004 Posted May 21, 2004 Breaking the military code does not give those punishments Nema, so I'd take a look at your sources. The accused were court-martialed and booted.
TMA_1 Posted May 21, 2004 Posted May 21, 2004 what bothers me most is that they are only punishing the enlisted men, no COs or NCOs. Everybody undrestands that if the enlisted person messes up, there is a reponsibility by the leadership, even if the leadership did not do anything.
Acriku Posted May 23, 2004 Posted May 23, 2004 Well, NCOs are enlisted as well... But anyway, they may get to the brass sooner or later, as people are still looking for a scapegoat in the high end of the chain of command (Donald Rumsfeld was a target for a while).
TMA_1 Posted May 23, 2004 Posted May 23, 2004 no I know, but when I lived on base we always called those that werent NCOs or COs enlisted men, sorry for the confusion. hehe
danielsh Posted May 23, 2004 Posted May 23, 2004 Some of you may be interested to know that our ever-vigilant Secretary of Defense has responded firmly to the allegations of prisoner abuse... by banning all digital cameras.http://news.com.au/common/story_page/0,4057,9643950%255E401,00.html
Wolf Posted May 23, 2004 Posted May 23, 2004 http://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/16/international/middleeast/16LYNN.html?ex=1085708432&ei=1&en=264d514ac19c6ed6Or this.
lowzeewee Posted May 24, 2004 Posted May 24, 2004 Now they say FBI is behind it...he was in FBI custody before his death. :O
Wolf Posted May 24, 2004 Posted May 24, 2004 I apologize for my frankness, but who in the heck said that the FBI was behind it? The FBI shouldn't even be near Iraq, as they are a domestic security organization...
lowzeewee Posted May 25, 2004 Posted May 25, 2004 I apologize for my frankness, but who in the heck said that the FBI was behind it? The FBI shouldn't even be near Iraq, as they are a domestic security organization...Maybe it didn't happen in Iraq?Btw, FBI is capable of anything...
GUNWOUNDS Posted May 25, 2004 Author Posted May 25, 2004 Maybe it didn't happen in Iraq?Btw, FBI is capable of anything...if it was overseas.... it was most likely CIA not FBI
lowzeewee Posted May 25, 2004 Posted May 25, 2004 if it was overseas.... it was most likely CIA not FBISo maybe it was "performed" in USA?[since he was in FBI custody...]
Wolf Posted May 25, 2004 Posted May 25, 2004 The FBI is not "capable of anything". Furthermore, it would be cumbersome to transfer a US civilian, such as Mr. Berg, from Iraq to the US and back again. I sincerely doubt that anything other than the brutal execution of an American humanitarian took place, and I resent the implication that it was otherwise, as it dishonors his memory and further helps to demonize the US -- which is not how we are going to solve the problem of US abuses.
Gobalopper Posted May 26, 2004 Posted May 26, 2004 I thought they said Berg was in the custody of either the Iraqi police or the coalition forces... I've never heard FBI before.
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