Israeli Cry

[TMA_1]

Why is it that the U.N. is so cold towards israel? To be fair, there are things that Israel has done that is technically illegal, like having settlements that arent in sanctioned territory. Of course this can be understood if you think about it.

What I am wondering though is why the world community is so cold towards israel? Is it because the largest support has come from America, so that they are assoicated with a country that has become an insult of sorts in the world stage? Is it because the Palistinian problem has flaired up and the Palistinians are looked on as the underdogs?

frankly I have studied a bit on this, and in almost every case the Israelis are the defenders and outside forces are the attackers. Why are they so derided? Not only this but people expect them to caugh up morea nd more land, land that israel doesnt have! I mean do you guys know how small the land of israel is?

It is like they are stuck between a rock and a hard place. If they allow the palistinians to have political sway in israel, then the palistinians will eventually outnumber the israelis because of the high birth rate of the palistinians compared to the israeli people. If you allow more land to be given, and an eventual palistinian state israel will grow even smaller, and will be even more threatened, as almost every action the palistinians have shown has been towards hostility. It would be the next step in the destruction of israel.

and all this time the world community seems to be silent about it, and rather insensitive or unempathetic. What do you guys think?

[Inoculator9]

TMA, you should understand this :P It's because we're Jewish :P everyone resents my people because we have all the money, like duh :P

[thomas]

ah hate those who are smart with money, very common these days.

[danielsh]

The Israelis have a right to their homeland. But so too do the Palestinians. Complicating the situation is the fact that both sides have resorted to unconscionable measures to accomplish their goals. At the very least, the Israelis should stop invading land that legally belongs to Palestine.

The whole affair is completely out of hand, and President Bush is doing nothing to help it. Hell in a handbasket.

[Caid Ivik]

UN is cold? Weak words. In 1975 was by it sionism declared equal ideology to nazism.

[Egeides]

TMA, you should understand this :P It's because we're Jewish :P everyone resents my people because we have all the money, like duh :P

" The reason why people have some trouble with Americans is because they are stronger. Other are jealous, duh :P "

It's not as simple as that... the Romans were probably saying the same thing.

Personally, I think that some see a choice between "for or against" and no middle road. I think that a death among Israelites is just as worst, but presently the death toll, property violation (destroyign houses...) and torture toll is higher on Palestinian side. But it shouldn't make people forget a side. Simply having its elite elements suceceed shouldn't be enough to extrapolate to a whole population, and I don't think Jewish are making themselves a service by thinking that "oh, we are just hated and that's all": just like Rome thinking that everyone is jealous, it's not as simple.

[TMA_1]

egeides that wasent what I was trying to say. I know it isnt htat simple but frankly I cant write a huge paper on it.lol

Dan, the Palistinians are originally jordanians that came in rather late in history, and those that have been there awhile come from the ancient tribes found in the bible, like the amonites and the moabites. They are no more intitled to the land than the jews. and they are NOT canaanites, any historian knows that is absolutely silly.lol

and the U.N. is cold. I am a proud zionist and they should NOT be compared to nazis caid. good gravy.

[Caid Ivik]

If Canaanites want their land back, then I want whole Ukraine as slavonic tribes came from here. Not saying that if Arafat is a good muslim, he should believe in Bible and the One God, same, which gave the land of Sion to ancient Hebrews.

Jechi ha Erec!

[leo]

" The reason why people have some trouble with Americans is because they are stronger. Other are jealous, duh :P "

It's not as simple as that... the Romans were probably saying the same thing.

Personally, I think that some see a choice between "for or against" and no middle road. I think that a death among Israelites is just as worst, but presently the death toll, property violation (destroyign houses...) and torture toll is higher on Palestinian side. But it shouldn't make people forget a side. Simply having its elite elements suceceed shouldn't be enough to extrapolate to a whole population, and I don't think Jewish are making themselves a service by thinking that "oh, we are just hated and that's all": just like Rome thinking that everyone is jealous, it's not as simple.

Of-course we are not innocent but any aggression always started by their side. All the house destroying and killings by our side is 99% percent only in retaliation or defense. Don

[Caid Ivik]

What was done 30 years ago is done, but his Al-Aqsa Shahadin terrorists are making mess still! I've heard that Sharon recommended insurance institutes to not make new deals with him, was that a joke, or why is he waiting?  ;D

[nemafakei]

The problem is that Israel is the occupying force, not the other way round, so it is their responsibility to keep order; though they have tried to cede responsibility for public services in Palaestine, the groups to which they cede them - especially as regards policing - tend to be attacked by Israel themselves. It's no good trying to pass responsibility to those with no power to fulfil it. Either take the responsibility, or hand the Palaestinians full control over their affairs.

The business of deliberately moving into the other's land is silly. And we can't possibly look into the legal claims over a vast period of history. It's mostly irrelevant: the land situation needs to be looked at from practical terms with consideration of the present and the future only.

[Wolf]

What was it Donald Trump called Israel? The United States' unsinkable Mideast aircraft carrier? Even if the UN gives Israel a hard time, I think the Israeli government can trust America, and vice versa.

[leo]

The problem is that Israel is the occupying force, not the other way round, so it is their responsibility to keep order; though they have tried to cede responsibility for public services in Palaestine, the groups to which they cede them - especially as regards policing - tend to be attacked by Israel themselves. It's no good trying to pass responsibility to those with no power to fulfil it. Either take the responsibility, or hand the Palaestinians full control over their affairs.

The business of deliberately moving into the other's land is silly. And we can't possibly look into the legal claims over a vast period of history. It's mostly irrelevant: the land situation needs to be looked at from practical terms with consideration of the present and the future only.

Every time we step out of a city there is an amazing terror uprising in that city. Trust me, we dont earn anything in staying there. We lose the public opinion, we lose our children, we lose billions of dollards every year. There is no oil or anything like that in those lands, there is even no water. It's hell for us to be there. WE WANT TO BE OUT OF THESE LANDS. But every time we make a move the Palestinians reward us with a bus bombing.

Yes, you right that if we are there we must take the responsibility, and we are trying too. But then the world is calling us occupiers and killers, just read the first post about the UN.

[Anathema]

I don't see why everybody cries hell everytime Israel does something. They way I see it, it's their land, there is no other functional state that claims ownership over it.

[nemafakei]

"Yes, you right that if we are there we must take the responsibility, and we are trying too. But then the world is calling us occupiers and killers, just read the first post about the UN. "

So long as there is an Israeli military presence in Palaestine, Israel *is* an occupier. Irrespective of the rights and wrongs, it is occupying Palaestine.

So long as the Israel military is shooting people, irrespective of what they've done to deserve it, it kills.

"But every time we make a move the Palestinians reward us with a bus bombing"

Keep well-guarded borders, and treat Palaestine as a separate state in its entirety. Thereafter, just wait until they give up; I'm sure other, more impartial countries will be prepared to offer the palaestinian state help with their policing.