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emprworm

emprworm

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thats all nice and good Dustscout, except you have used the word "wrong" several times in your arguments in reference to moral actions

i.e. US removing saddam was "wrong".

if you want us to accept your objective amorality, then you have remove your anti-bush emotionalism from your posts, because it invalidates your attempt to hide behind your amoral claims.

EWS

EWS

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Emprworm - Why does everything have to come to "anti-bush" remarks?  Just because he maybe doesnt support him, doesnt mean that everything he does is "clouded by his anti-bushery."  That is just a very childish and immature argument, as you can carry that argument through to everything.  I know for a fact that he is ammoral from discussions that I have with Dustie at school!

EWS

EWS

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I'm now expecting him to say I am "anti-bush" and that i am clouded by my anti-bush judgements, it seems to be his only argument.

Caid Ivik

Caid Ivik

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Quote from: Dust scout on Today at 21:59:44

It is arrogant of us to expect you to act only under our approval and it is arrogant of you to act without our express permission.

There. Now we're both arrogant.

* LOGICAL - You read the facts and concluded from that. It may be also an empirical statement. Or opinion. You say in both it is arrogant. You've made own definition of arrogancy, what is only an opinion.

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Quote from: Dust scout on Yesterday at 19:40:07

Because he's an idiot. Because he threw out the Kyoto agreement. I could go on but with those two points I've pretty much put forward my primary reasons.

* LOGICAL - Finding someone an idiot might be also an opinion or even an empirical experience. Or it is a moral statement, you damn the target because he went against a thing which you adore, which you see moral to adore.

C- It is wrong to kill people.

* MORAL - Altough as a christian I don't question logic in moral codex, it IS also irational, ilogical, to kill others. I can conclude it logically, or even by experience, when I rot in jails of fortress Leopoldov.

D- Green is a nice colour.

* EMPIRICAL - This is plain opinion, tough based on sensual experience. You can write as fact that something has specified color; but not that something is nice...

E- It is your duty to smile on Tuesdays.

* MORAL - I would say more empirical, but it can be accepted.

F- We are right and you are wrong.

* LOGICAL - Any fact can be found relative. Thus it may be only an opinion. Also such statement may be a result of empirical observation.

G- I hate you.

* OPINION - You must have an extremely cold heart if you think "hate" is just an opinion. You can find in yourself you hate someone, what is empirical finding. Or conclude from your acts that in some submind you have a hidden hate.

emprworm

emprworm

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Quote from: Dust scout on Today at 21:59:44

It is arrogant of us to expect you to act only under our approval and it is arrogant of you to act without our express permission.

There. Now we're both arrogant.

* LOGICAL - You read the facts and concluded from that. It may be also an empirical statement. Or opinion. You say in both it is arrogant. You've made own definition of arrogancy, what is only an opinion.

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Quote from: Dust scout on Yesterday at 19:40:07

Because he's an idiot. Because he threw out the Kyoto agreement. I could go on but with those two points I've pretty much put forward my primary reasons.

* LOGICAL - Finding someone an idiot might be also an opinion or even an empirical experience. Or it is a moral statement, you damn the target because he went against a thing which you adore, which you see moral to adore.

C- It is wrong to kill people.

* MORAL - Altough as a christian I don't question logic in moral codex, it IS also irational, ilogical, to kill others. I can conclude it logically, or even by experience, when I rot in jails of fortress Leopoldov.

D- Green is a nice colour.

* EMPIRICAL - This is plain opinion, tough based on sensual experience. You can write as fact that something has specified color; but not that something is nice...

E- It is your duty to smile on Tuesdays.

* MORAL - I would say more empirical, but it can be accepted.

F- We are right and you are wrong.

* LOGICAL - Any fact can be found relative. Thus it may be only an opinion. Also such statement may be a result of empirical observation.

G- I hate you.

* OPINION - You must have an extremely cold heart if you think "hate" is just an opinion. You can find in yourself you hate someone, what is empirical finding. Or conclude from your acts that in some submind you have a hidden hate.

ROFL!

Dustscout exposed

Dust hides behind his 'amoral' claim.  he uses it as a crutch, but his statements demonstrate otehrwise.

he dislikes Bush and with great fervor.  that is quite obvious

GUNWOUNDS

GUNWOUNDS

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Quote from: Dust scout on Today at 21:59:44

It is arrogant of us to expect you to act only under our approval and it is arrogant of you to act without our express permission.

There. Now we're both arrogant.

* LOGICAL - You read the facts and concluded from that. It may be also an empirical statement. Or opinion. You say in both it is arrogant. You've made own definition of arrogancy, what is only an opinion.

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Quote from: Dust scout on Yesterday at 19:40:07

Because he's an idiot. Because he threw out the Kyoto agreement. I could go on but with those two points I've pretty much put forward my primary reasons.

* LOGICAL - Finding someone an idiot might be also an opinion or even an empirical experience. Or it is a moral statement, you damn the target because he went against a thing which you adore, which you see moral to adore.

C- It is wrong to kill people.

* MORAL - Altough as a christian I don't question logic in moral codex, it IS also irational, ilogical, to kill others. I can conclude it logically, or even by experience, when I rot in jails of fortress Leopoldov.

D- Green is a nice colour.

* EMPIRICAL - This is plain opinion, tough based on sensual experience. You can write as fact that something has specified color; but not that something is nice...

E- It is your duty to smile on Tuesdays.

* MORAL - I would say more empirical, but it can be accepted.

F- We are right and you are wrong.

* LOGICAL - Any fact can be found relative. Thus it may be only an opinion. Also such statement may be a result of empirical observation.

G- I hate you.

* OPINION - You must have an extremely cold heart if you think "hate" is just an opinion. You can find in yourself you hate someone, what is empirical finding. Or conclude from your acts that in some submind you have a hidden hate.

nice work caid

Acriku

Acriku

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Dust Scout, how is "D" not an opinion? Someone may hate the color green, upon seeing the same color. Therefore, it is an observation based upon an opinion, right?

Dragoon Knight

Dragoon Knight

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Emprworm, never before has anyone struck me as so immature and narrow minded... not even Nav!  I know, it's saying a lot... but you bring Bush into everything.  Dust never even mentioned Bush in his opening post!

You are a self-righteous, Bush-loving, narrow-minded, paranoid flamer, who takes no heed of others' opinion, because you believe that the U.S. government can do no wrong.  I can tell you for a FACT that Dust is amoral.  Do you know him personally?  NO.  All you seem to do is pick up on the tiniest things that you could POSSIBLY turn against people... for example, when Dust said "invading Iraq was wrong", you tried to change that into a moral statement.  He had said before that he was amoral, so therefore it wasn't a moral statement.  Stop spamming up others' threads with your "Biased Bush Bollocks" .  That's what I'll call it from now on... because I don't think it is possible for you to get any further up Bush's ass.

And may I just reinstate that I don't hate Bush.  He's funny.  (laughs like Bush off of 2D-TV). ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

emprworm

emprworm

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i believe it is a fact that Dust claims to be amoral.

but such is not the case, as I dont believe any human can be 100% amoral.

and Dust has shown that.

you have a lot of anger, Dagoon.

And yes, Bush has a lot to do with things around here, because he is the most hated man in the world.

EWS

EWS

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Just because he is the most hated man in the world (which he is not) does not make him relevant to a topic on Morality, or Dune, or Playstations, or Xbox's or anything other than probably America and Bush himself (oh and the WAR)

emprworm

emprworm

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of cousrse it does!

Dustscout claims to be amoral.

Proof against his claims lies with Bush.  When his own hostility towards Bush that he has displayed here, that is valid proof against his claim.

Bush is relevant.  Dust dislikes Bush, and with emotion.

his claims are inherently false.

EWS

EWS

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It isnt a moral, it is just an opinion.  Are you saying that by me saying that Potatoes are crap is a moral opinion?

emprworm

emprworm

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lol!  you dont even know what moral means.

clearly i am debating with someone who is unequipped to deal with what we are talking about.

take this quiz please:

WHICH OF THE FOLLOWING ARE MORAL STATEMENTS:

A)  All Christians are wrong.

B)  All Muslims are wrong

C)  Homosexuality is wrong

D)  Atheists are wrong

E)  taking drugs is WRONG

F)  having sex outside of marriage is WRONG

G)  socialists actions are WRONG

H)  Bush actions are WRONG

let me guess....H right?

or are you prepared to say that not one single statement above has anything to do with morality?

rofl.  learn what the word means.  before you start debating about it

EWS

EWS

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Hey fuckface, you are speaking to the person who has the best grasp of Morality in my school.  Dont you fucking dare lecture me on morality.  Fair enough, you want a debate on morality.  Go ahead;

Morality is concerned with the ideas of right and wrong.  I agree that my statement "Potatoes are wrong" is not a moral statement.  It involves choices about how we should behave and the intentions behind our behaviour.  It is what we and society sees as the correct way to act and the right values to have.

I think it is you who doesnt understand what the term MORAL means.  Bush is wrong is not a moral.  Bush is wrong is an opinion based from fact or non-fact.  Something like Murder is Wrong is a clear moral statement (something that we can agree on).  By me saying that Bush is wrong is me expressing my clear opinion that I feel Bush is wrong, the same as me saying that Bush is right is expressing my opinion.

The same as me saying Potatoes are wrong = Bush is wrong in the same context, an opinion NOT A MORAL.

But lets say I am an idiot for a minute.  What do YOU think a moral is?

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