Gamont Gambler Posted September 2, 2003 Share Posted September 2, 2003 "House Atreides claimed to trace its roots more than twelve thousand years, back to the ancient sons of Atreus on Old Terra."Since we've already had a prequel set 10 000 years (!!) before the events of Dune, what's another few thousand years?How about a series of books about the origins of House Atreides i.e. 'Ancient Legends of Dune', or 'Origins of Dune', or 'House Atreides: The Beginning' etc. ;)The Atreides ("sons of Atreus") - Agamemnon and Menelaus, Kings of Mycenae and Sparta, declare war on Troy. Their army is led by warrior Achilles to seige the Trojans...hang on...they ARE making a film about this with Brad Pitt (Achilles), Eric Bana (Hector) and Brian Cox (Agamemnon). Technically...er...sort of...this will be a prequel movie to Dune !!House Atreides back on the big screen 2004 !! ;D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilexatrei Posted September 2, 2003 Share Posted September 2, 2003 Wasn't it discovered that Agamemnon was really a computer nerd and he just changed his name as like a screen name for a computer network gaming, *probably similar to Westwood Online and Battle.net* where he met the other Titans? So How would you do trace that? His descendants could have been in India; during the Trojan War, because of the coloration of their skin as mentioned in the books. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor Harkonnen Posted September 2, 2003 Share Posted September 2, 2003 I wouldn't call him a computer nerd. almost all people played computer at that time. but 12.000 years ain't that much. Our time is 25.000 years before teh events of dune. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NHJ BV Posted September 2, 2003 Share Posted September 2, 2003 He did call himself Agamemnon, but the BJ also said that he was a descendant from the real Agamemnon (don't ask me how he found out). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duncan_ghola Posted September 2, 2003 Share Posted September 2, 2003 saying your a descendant of atreus is like saying your a descendant of Zeus, the trojan war never really happend and the characters never existed, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilexatrei Posted September 3, 2003 Share Posted September 3, 2003 The Trojan war really did happen; however, the addition of gods was only used to make the story more interesting for the storytellers that told it.Haven't u heard of the archaeologist who found Troy and when looking for the part of the city that was around during the war...Well he used dynamite to find it underground, as it turned out he blew up the artifacts that existed during the Trojan war. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duncan_ghola Posted September 3, 2003 Share Posted September 3, 2003 yeah well from my sources, the trojan war couldve been a civil war, barbarian raid, it couldve been anything theres no proof of what it was, even if there had been such a large scale war which most highly doubt, the "trojans" might have won, i got this from the Iliad of Homer translated by Richmond Lattimore, it says so in the introduction Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inoculator9 Posted September 3, 2003 Share Posted September 3, 2003 Sorry Duncan, it did happen and Troy was destroyed. The city was actually found some time ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordos45 Posted September 3, 2003 Share Posted September 3, 2003 Sorry Duncan, it did happen and Troy was destroyed. The city was actually found some time ago.If you manage to, try and catch the History Channel's "Unconventional Warfare" special that was on the other day. They talk a good deal about the Trojan War, and then say they doubt the horse ever existed or the Gods, and they think it was more likely over trade than love. Apparently the first time Troy was found in the late 1800s, it was more recent than the Troy of Legend, they dug deeper in later decades and found it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inoculator9 Posted September 3, 2003 Share Posted September 3, 2003 Yep :) Several cities, I think seven, lol, were built over the original's ruins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duncan_ghola Posted September 4, 2003 Share Posted September 4, 2003 obviously a war happend, but we dont know the details of the war, there are no historical records of the actual war Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inoculator9 Posted September 4, 2003 Share Posted September 4, 2003 The point is, lol, that it happened :P And we know who fought in it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duncan_ghola Posted September 4, 2003 Share Posted September 4, 2003 eh, you dont know who fought in it... wheres your proof? in some poem? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inoculator9 Posted September 4, 2003 Share Posted September 4, 2003 It was Greece and Troy. The other nations of the time would have had little interest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duncan_ghola Posted September 4, 2003 Share Posted September 4, 2003 lol, where do you get this material from? no one knows when homer was around there are no specific dates, and i dont believe he was around during the "trojan war" which couldve been a viking raid, impedit- stop modifing, your posts to make my responces look pointless Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inoculator9 Posted September 4, 2003 Share Posted September 4, 2003 Oi, lol :P Who do you think the war was between? The Flemmish and the Mongolians? The Vikings didn't raid in the mediterranean :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duncan_ghola Posted September 4, 2003 Share Posted September 4, 2003 hey, dont ask me, ask Richmond Lattimore, professor emeritus of greek at Bryn Mawr College, of course he died in 1984 but left a substantial amount of information on the real trojan war, its your word against his.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inoculator9 Posted September 4, 2003 Share Posted September 4, 2003 The Vikings did not go galavanting about in the Mediteranean at the time of the Greeks :P I don't care what your friend there said before he died, but with the Egyptians, Greeks, and the Turks popping around, I doubt a simple Viking raid would result in an epic story told for millenia :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duncan_ghola Posted September 4, 2003 Share Posted September 4, 2003 and what time would that be since your on a roll and seem to know everything that wasnt historically documented Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inoculator9 Posted September 4, 2003 Share Posted September 4, 2003 What time would what be? The Egyptians were around at this time... the Greeks were around at this time... Are you saying that there is no proof that the Greeks or Egyptians existed :D Well, where's your proof that good ol' Leaf ventured into the Mediteranean? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duncan_ghola Posted September 4, 2003 Share Posted September 4, 2003 i dont recall going beyond "the trojan war didnt actually happen"- and your avoiding my question Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inoculator9 Posted September 4, 2003 Share Posted September 4, 2003 What the hell are you talking about? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duncan_ghola Posted September 4, 2003 Share Posted September 4, 2003 I never said Greece never existed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inoculator9 Posted September 4, 2003 Share Posted September 4, 2003 Your post implies there was no proof of their having sailed the Mediteranean!My post:The Vikings did not go galavanting about in the Mediteranean at the time of the Greeks I don't care what your friend there said before he died, but with the Egyptians, Greeks, and the Turks popping around, I doubt a simple Viking raid would result in an epic story told for millenia Your response:and what time would that be since your on a roll and seem to know everything that wasnt historically documented And the time would be the time of the Greeks, as I said! You really have no conceptualization of the time jumps your making here... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duncan_ghola Posted September 4, 2003 Share Posted September 4, 2003 well, i'd like to add that you modified your post, making my post meaningless being i was responding to a question in your last point, I would also like to add that this was no simple viking raid, it seemed to be several put into one, but i cant see how someone would rely on a poem with gods and sea monsters as a historical document Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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