Faetarius

Cool cool. I'll have to take your word for it that that words. I recently updated to Windoows XP, and it runs perfectly under compatability mode. Thanks for your help all the same. :)

Stefan the point was talking about technologies far in advance of our own. ie Alien technology. Thus the raising of a mountain could be achived with technology that us lowly humans haven't discovered yet. And as to telling people's life stories, that could be accounted for by citing that the person had merely done immense amounts of reasearch and surveilance. An unlikely situation admittedly, but not impossible. If it's one thing the human race has been good at so far, it's finding ways to find explanations for EVERYTHING. And so even if god did perform miracles of every varity, shape and form, we would probably still find some way to explain the events away. (As was already stated by Edric O) Oh, and erjin999, I must admit I'm curious. How does the existance of aliens prove the existance of god to you?

This arguement really can't be concluded. All our views/opinions and resultant conclusions are personal. Gunwounds has one view, I have another, and every other person has their own. None of them can be said to be "the right answer". It just depends what you believe, and producing logical arguements only works if the other person's views see the data in the same way as the one producing it.

I'll go along with that

So we can't really accept this idea fully as it is unproveable?

Yea, I understand what you mean, and I must say I agree. Just trying to lighten the mood a bit.

But that's what language is for! Making up words that have no real use but sound good! :P *ahem*

Gunwounds: All your arguements are, at least in theory, technically sound. You can argue until the cows come home about whether god exists, if he has a personal side, and whether he actually cares about his creations of not. However I feel that you're missing the basic principle of religion, which I might add is man-made. The reason for it to exist is to bring comfort and purpose to people, and also to provide a guide when people are in trouble. Taking christianity to your extreme, and saying that christianity is the only "true" religion is foolish. Not only are you alienating yourself from most of the world (who believe in a compassionate god), you are removing part of the purpose itself. And a thing you might like to consider. The people who first thought of religion did not try to stretch it beyond its practical limits. They accepted the image of an omnipotent yet merciful being, and didn't sit down to think about whether it is a logical possibility. You really need to think about the way you see the world; cold logic in place of humanity is not reasonable.

I agree with Dante that there is no such state as something being truly "random". If we knew every facter we could calculate the outcome with a 100% success rate (excluding errors). However we, as humans, use the word random to explain something that we cannot predict and so *seems* random to us. This is a technical misusage, but allows easy understanding. Wrongful use of words is just part of everyday speech. The point is merely a verbal nuance.

So in your opinion 65% or so of the world's population is being stupid by not being christian or atheist? Wow, I didn't think there was a way to slight that many people at one go... And before you come back with a comment on how I'm simply denying the facts or similar, may a point out that yes there are religions that believe in a god sans the personal side of him. However these religions also allow that god to exercise mercy. He may be a FULLY GOOD god, but surely mercy to his creations is love, not a breakdown of the principle of his very existance. Also, the Buddha did say thata there was a higher power. However, he did not ever say that there was a "divine being" that we should all revere and worship. That is a crucial distinction to make. Just because you believe that there is an intangible substance which bninds the world, doesn't automatically mean that there must be a god.

I've tried both the double bass and the french horn for a while each, but I never really got into it. I guess I'll jus leave the music to those that have some talent :P

At the moment economic unification is looking slightly unlikely because of the protectionism of the western markets, shown in the trade barriers against places like Africa and China

Thanks Caid, I hadn't found that site :)

This site will explain what I mean about Buddhism being (as far as I can tell) a more accepting and understanding viewpoint, one not relying on a divine being or on a single holy saviour like jesus. http://www.religioustolerance.org/buddhism4.htm

Minor point, Buddhism doesn't have a god. It's a technically moral philosophy, not a religion. And bear in mind that simply because you have a certain belief about christianity, that doesn't mean that all the other world religions are any less worthy. You just choose to elevate yours above the others by saying that: "all those religions do is deny the personal side of God (JESUS) and leave you to contend with the Impersonal Side of God (The Moral Law)". This is a pretty big statement, and even if it is true then that may just mean that they see things from a different angle; possibly due to a less totalitarian viewpoint. And this is a theological debate, not character assassination. Remember that before you accuse me of being "a crybaby who throws insults around". I have not insulted you or your religion, merely condensed what you yourself said into a more compact form.