In the begginning, Gods created the heavens and the earth.

[TMA_1]

Elohim is a literal translation to Gods plural. There is no "royal we" or "plural for glorification" in the hebrew language. So this word does not magnify the greatness of God, it literally means "Gods". The singular for God is eloha or eloa, now I am wondering, why would the hebrew verses express it like this? also it constantly expresses a plural for the Godhead. "Let us create man in our image". "Let us go down and confuse the language of man". It is constantly in the old testament. Many people have used this to discredit the bible and even christians try to get out of it by saying that it is just a plural for magnification of GOd's glory. Or that it is in our term the "royal we". That doesnt exist in the hebrew language, not till much later after the death of christ, and obviously the old testament books have definitely been dated to at least c. 300 b.c., so this isnt a mistake.

I believe that this in a sense proves the idea of tha trinity. Not only this but the trinity is mentioned by many rabbies before and after the death ofchrist, even by monks as early as 400 a.d. I will give you the links in a bit to varify this stuff as I have to dig it all back up. I just think that this has to do with the Trinity.

[Acriku]

So God is a 3-part series, yet at the same is a 1-part, and yet talks to his other parts that are not really separate parts? More holes seem to come up the more answers are made.

[TMA_1]

It is pretty simple. in his oneness, he has three distinct persons that do different tasks. It talks about it being crucial to the plan of God, only until the end of the millenium, when satan is finally cast into the lake of fire with the demons and unbelievers, that he will become the All in One. finally fulfilling the prophesy that the three persons will not be needed and that he will have need of one persona.

[Navaros]

I know a really smart Russian Atheist guy, and he used to always tell me that you know Christianity is all nonsense because Christians believe that 1 + 1 + 1 = 1. LOL

[SurlyPIG]

Hmm...

Does this mean that God has an executive, judical, and legislative branch?

[DjCiD]

1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 = 1 :O

Just because an octopus has 8 individual legs each acting on it's own accord does not make it an octipi. It is still just one creature controlled by the head.

Many times I have heard the Trinity theory described like the clover, having 3 leafs yet still a whole.

[Caid Ivik]

Bere'shit bara' 'elohim 'et hasshamajim ve 'et ha'arec;

'Elohim is an uncountable word. It hasn't singular. As in slovak we have "dvere" (door), what is plural, altough it points on one thing. I would translate 'Elohim as "Highness".

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[Dante]

Wasn't Elohim once used to decribe a group of malevolent fairies? :P

EDIT: Is the title supposed to say "Gods" or is it a typo?

[Acriku]

Dust, he explains it with his first post, that many times in the bible it says the word god in plural.

[TMA_1]

'Elohim is an uncountable word. It hasn't singular. As in slovak we have "dvere" (door), what is plural, altough it points on one thing. I would translate 'Elohim as "Highness".

It is a plural and should be translated literally. There is no elusive way of translating plural words and giving them subjective meansing like "highness" again look back at the idea that the royal we or th idea of magnification did not exist in the hebrew language. This language is not comparable to slovik.

[Caid Ivik]

You would be very surprised how close are semitic languages to slavonic ones. We have same roots. They have more such uncountable words, i.e.teshuwa, "regret", is female plural. But to be sure, we have also Septuaginta, greek Bible made by Jews as well. And there aren't "Lords", but only "Lord".

[nemafakei]

Are there other hebrew defective plural words (ie with no singualar)? Are there Hebrew words with a plural meaning something different (eg ops/opes, vis/vires in Latin)? What gender is Elohhim, if Hebrew has genders?

[TMA_1]

yeah hebrew has genders. it is in the male gender I do believe. I will look up the word for God "eloa" and how it is said in it's various plural and singular forms as well as for the three genders. that might help out.

[Caid Ivik]

Singular is 'el, what is like a superlative of "lord". The -ohim part is an adjective. Form "eloa" was never used, without superlativising "-im" suffix it loses the correct meaning, adoring God's majesty.