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ordos45 · April 5, 2003

The real question though is for how long??

The X-Hawk is one of two I saw in a presentation by the Pittsburg Institute of Aeronautics recently. Two to three years at this rate, according to their slideshow at least.

I forget the other one.

Gunseng_Harkonnen · April 5, 2003

Flying cars? It would be stuffy in air and birds would`n have place for flying. ;)

And about Mars...Colonization would be right way to safe us from may things in future. But it would be long time to stop living in hermetic stations.

Davidu · April 5, 2003

I would colonize an Earth-like planet, move the capital there, move part of the population there, and use the current trritory on earth as a park and as an embassy of my country on Earth. So, Earth could become some sort of Parliament.

Emperor Harkonnen · April 6, 2003

if the humans in the future will create a disaster, which sets back all civilizations to pre historic time, then there will be no chance for us to build a new civilization, because most of earths resouces has been used. and I read in a magazine that if we die, then another inteligent race cannot create a society and civilization like ours due the the lack of resoucres and that kind of stuff

Acriku · April 6, 2003

There is nothing to send us back to pre-historic times. EMP bombs only wipe out electricity, but we still have people with the knowledge to make it again, we would still know how to build a house, make art, make music, etc. We might not get back the population and size of our domain, though.

Davidu · April 6, 2003

I always wodered what would happend if the population between 15 and 25 years old of every coutry would be deported onto a virgin planet. Would the societies rebuild as on Earth? Would they try to come back, or they'll just start fighting and enter a dark age?

I mean what would you do if you (and a lot of people of you age) would be deported in a new land? Without any contact with the exterior.

I think that I'd dedicate my life to returning home.

I would spend 1, 5, 10, a lifetime in order to find a way for the others to go back home.

Dude_Doc · April 6, 2003

I always wodered what would happend if the population between 15 and 25 years old of every coutry would be deported onto a virgin planet. Would the societies rebuild as on Earth? Would they try to come back, or they'll just start fighting and enter a dark age?
I mean what would you do if you (and a lot of people of you age) would be deported in a new land? Without any contact with the exterior.
I think that I'd dedicate my life to returning home.
I would spend 1, 5, 10, a lifetime in order to find a way for the others to go back home.

Hehe, sounds a little bit like StarCraft. The story behind the game is that most criminals was trapped into a ship and sent out into space to colonize. Their "computer" or whatever controlled the ship, malfunctioned, and the journey that would take 1 year took 10. They crashed in the Korpulu sector, where they started a new society, colonizing nearby planets etc.

TMA_1 · April 6, 2003

I doubt we will go into deeper space for a long time. It takes a lot of money, patients, and willpower to do that kind of stuff. We wont work with other countries and actually fund a space program to it's full potential. There are "more important" issues, which is arguable. We are an inpatient society, we want things now. Maybe scientists and people working directly with a project can see the project's full potential, but usually the people are completely different on those issues. We dont have any willpower after the cold war because frankly we went into space for sheer ego purposes. We wanted to prove other nations that we were stronger than them. There was no explorative purpose in the politics of the matter. Not like those mariners who traveled across oceans for Gold, God, and Glory. It takes a lot to get into space, and before we talk of need things like space travel, we should actually be willing to pay the prices that it has. Also to know that it is for a greater purpose.

SpiceGuid · April 7, 2003

Sorry for my pragmatic answer: they would soon die due to lack of ressources before they could build anything grandiose.

Aeris · April 8, 2003

I always wodered what would happend if the population between 15 and 25 years old of every coutry would be deported onto a virgin planet. Would the societies rebuild as on Earth? Would they try to come back, or they'll just start fighting and enter a dark age?
I mean what would you do if you (and a lot of people of you age) would be deported in a new land? Without any contact with the exterior.
I think that I'd dedicate my life to returning home.
I would spend 1, 5, 10, a lifetime in order to find a way for the others to go back home.

We don't even know that that's not how we ended up here. Maybe we came from some alien species and they just dumped us here. It may not be plausible, but it's pausible.

Acriku · April 8, 2003

It's entirely possible, but no evidence supports it. So, until evidence shows up, it is safe to conclude for now that it did not happen that way. Especially when there is evidence showing otherwise.

TMA_1 · April 8, 2003

how is it possible? explain.

Dude_Doc · April 8, 2003

Another distasteful scenario is that you wake up tomorrow, you will be alone in an abandoned base, on a dark planet, with aliens running around somewhere...

Talk about dreams...

Davidu · April 8, 2003

Well, Dune_Doc, I think that's a nightmare.

SpiceGuid: well, I would know how to make bricks to build a house, how to build a brigde (small one of course), and I would depend on others for the other things. Anyway, anyone can hunt, or fish (have you ever caught trouts with your hands?).

Well, I think my scenario would be an opportunity to repair the mistakes of our own society. Out there we could create new societies with more morale, respect and so on...

Don't you think?

Acriku · April 8, 2003

Aliens could have placed the first prokaryotes, and started life. It's possible. We have our own theories on how life began from simple compounds, but aliens could have just done it just as well. Again, there is no sufficient evidence to support this, I am just saying that it could have happened - but there is no reason to think it did. Not to steer it offtopic, but this is exactly what I feel about the god story. Possible, but no reason to think it did happen - no sufficient evidence to think it did.

SpiceGuid · April 8, 2003

Forgive me: i thought on a hell planet like Mars.

Now on a paradise planet like Earth: no matter the planet i think society entails inegalities. Because of people number, some power structure is needed, then this power is used to unbalance ressources distribution. Of course justifications are given like richs have superior talents, poors have inferior talents. But these justifications are fake justice because distribution is made according to power, not according to talent. Also as the root of power is first military violence (inequal weapons) then social violence (inequal opportunities).

Davidu · April 9, 2003

Well, if YOU were on such a hospitable planet (Earth-like) wouldn't you like to create a new society? With no more people above the law?

I would! And I would give that society as an example when I'll ever get back home.

SpiceGuid · April 9, 2003

The law is made by the law-makers.

The law-makers are the powerful.

The powerful are the monopolizers.

They do not need to be above the law.

They just monopolize within the law.

So the law legitimate their property (that is their social violence).

Davidu · April 11, 2003

You're quite right...

But any crows needs a leader, so someone will have to make the laws, or will convince the others of his point of view.

I would make the laws and then redraw... but power corrupts, so I dunno how would I react in a real situation.

SpiceGuid · April 11, 2003

Even if you redraw, as society grows the people number requires a hierarchical structure. And ressources tend to migrate to the top. Thus the law, whatever generous at start, produces both inequality and inequal opportunity (obviously someone that has more properties has more opportunities).

What you imagine (a new world, new laws, new rights) is exactly what has happened after discovery of the american continent. Is american society an ideal society, just because it started from scratch? I don't think so.

Davidu · April 12, 2003

Hell no! ;D

I only wanted to give another chance to fair-play, and honesty.

SpiceGuid · April 12, 2003

Hell no! ;D
I only wanted to give another chance to fair-play, and honesty.

In Dune novels millions of new worlds are not sufficient to overcome human tendencies.

On earth we have Olympic Games for fair-play and honesty.

Otherwise humans are just human.

May be the evil is in the collective.

Consider a wolf pack: they behave much like humans, declaring some as dominant and some as excluded.

So notions like "good" or "evil" are not needed.

Group behavior precedes good and evil.

Davidu · April 13, 2003

Some people are like wolfs - animals.

But I like to consider the people near me HUMANS ans not animals. HUMANS must be equal in rights, not with such a rigid ierarchic structure.

J'ai raison?

SpiceGuid · April 14, 2003

Some people are like wolfs - animals.
But I like to consider the people near me HUMANS ans not animals. HUMANS must be equal in rights, not with such a rigid ierarchic structure.
J'ai raison?

Tu as raison.

A man that can trust people near him is a lucky man.

Davidu · April 16, 2003

Yeah, that's right.

But to have the loyalty of the people you have to make ALL of them happy. And that is imposible with large nations as today.

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