Flaws in the Dune Miniseries?

[Guest LtTitan]

I am asking about flaws I think there are in the Dune Miniseries on sci-fi. For one, I dont like how the Fremen sometimes are careless about their stillsuits. The Fremen would not be so careless as to waste precious water, even a few minutes in the open air is water wasted. Two, some things about constumes and designs of all kinds of things, such as the Imperial Sardukar uniforms and the way the Sandworms look. Why is it changed? The way I always knew it was from the original Dune movie in 1984 (I think thats the date). To me, thats how they looked anyways. Also, what stands out the most to me, how in hell did any of the Sardaukar lose to the Fremen in battle. I mean, the way they fought in the miniseries was idiotic. They had rifles, pistols, missiles, machine guns, and armor. They were facing people with knives and rag clothing. They lost? They should have just stood many meters away just firing, they would have gunned down every Fremen before they even got to them. In the miniseries, they ran towards them with rifles, why?

One question I have about the original Dune book. Did the Fremen use wierding modules to fight with, or did they use the cryskife? I havent read the first book, though I will soon. I have only seen the two movies and in the first (1984) the Fremen used wierding modules to fight, Paul introduced them to them. In the miniseries they used the cryskinfe.

Can anyone explain these things to me? Especially how the Sardaukar lost to the Fremen in the miniseries.

[Tio_Holtzmann]

The Fremen did have the weirding way which did give them an advantage. Being able to dodge like that. Plus when they killed sardaukar, they took their weapons and used them, you see stilgar do this in the final battle. Sardaukar charged presumably because they wrongly thought they could win. Plus most of them did get their asses kicked by worms.

Crysknife is more true to the book, weirding modules arent even in the book and were put in for some reason. In the book, Fremen fight with crysknife and maula guns.

[Guest LtTitan]

But still, even if the Fremen did use the wierding way against the Sardaukar, the Sardaukar used machine gun weaponry. The Fremen couldnt dodge THAT much even with the wierding way. And the miniseries made the Sardaukar look like idiotic fools, running into a fray and getting slaughtered. They go on and on through the whole thing about the Sardaukar being the most elite and feared military in the universe, then get SLAUGHTERED by a bunch of people with knives. The Sardaukar should have, if they were as good as they claimed, just bombarded the crap out of the Fremen from a distance and they should have flanked them, set traps for them, anything, not just run in and get killed. I dont like it.

[Tio_Holtzmann]

You remember how Paul took the Sardaukar captive and sent the captain back to Shaddam. Can't rememember if they say this in the miniseries, but in the book anyway, Gurney says something like "You've shamed Imperial Sardaukar. Now Shaddam will have to come for you because he can't let anyone know about this." or words to that effect. Paul said that was the idea. The sardaukar had a lot of battle honour, like never allowing themselves being taken captive. Maybe they charged in order to defend their honour in that situation, rather than doing it the easy way and just carpet bombing them from afar. They had to retain their credibility and fearsome reputation.

And besides, worms! Dozens and dozens of worms! Like a vacuum cleaner for sardaukar.

[exatreide]

Maybe the fact that there were 10 million freman on arakkis, and 1.5 milion sadukar at the battle of Arakeen. Not to mention a few hundred thousand Harkonnen troops. The Freman were at par with the Sadukar since Dune riviled Selsusa Secundus in its harsh envirments, just the sheer number of the Freman over welmed the Sadukar, and the Harkonnen

[Guest LtTitan]

The Sardaukar do have a sense of honor, but they arent stupid. My point is that the miniseries made the Sardaukar look like complete foolish idiots. One does not run blindly into a fray of knife weilding fanatical warriors. Is it explained differently in the book? Such as more fighting or more equal losses and the like? All I am saying is that I dont think the most elite, well-trained, and feared warriors in all the galaxy would get the crap kicked out of them that easily.

Another thing I dont think is right. The Fremen Crysknife is suppose to be a very sacred weapon, right? Why does Stilgar, during the final attack to the Emperor through the Shield Wall, drop his crysknife and leave it? He is shooting a gun, runs out of ammo, stabs a guy, and drops it and walks on. Shouldnt he keep it close to him at all times if it is suppose to be so sacred?

[Duncan_ghola]

i dont think he dropped it, and if you read dune sequels to dune you would have noticed the fremen became careless about their water as new generations came, they depended apon the pill which helped them keep their water, the costumes and the actors will always alienate the characters in the book, no one is identical to the description and if they come close there are those who have a different view, and who the heck is this loser with the fremen sybol?!?! I claimed that as mine before you arrived i declare kanly on you, if you can stand up to me. I am Ghola1teg i am ready at any time.

[Duncan_ghola]

i forgot to mention in COD they left out the eyes of Ibad which distinguish the fremen from the city dwellers

[Mahdi]

They were included, but for budget reasons, not everyone has them, and they are more subtle than in the first mini.

[thomas]

um in the first book didn't the sarduakar fight with knifes to? I mean hte fremen won because htey were better fighters and I remember a sarduakar tries to kill paul and paul sees his knife and realizes its a sarduakar knife.

[Duncan_ghola]

its not the weapon man! the fremen were trained in the worst conditions, besides everyone fights with knives, they are accustumed to it because of the shield. You cant call that the eyes of ibad, only the pupils were blue!

[Emperor Harkonnen]

Two, some things about constumes and designs of all kinds of things, such as the Imperial Sardukar uniforms and the way the Sandworms look. Why is it changed? The way I always knew it was from the original Dune movie in 1984

The costumes of the sardaukar are much cooler in the miniseries! those are the best uniforms I have ever seen in movies.

In the first movie the uniforms look like heavy armor. that would mean that the only reason the sardaukars were good soldiers was that they had good clothes. that is lame, it is not the equipment which makes the sardaukars good soldiers.

[Guest LtTitan]

In the first movie the uniforms look like heavy armor. that would mean that the only reason the sardaukars were good soldiers was that they had good clothes. that is lame, it is not the equipment which makes the sardaukars good soldiers.

I never said that the uniform/clothes made the soldier. I said that the uniforms werent that good and were changed. I remember that the Sardaukar's uniform is described as what it is in the 1984 film, with the metaglass for visors on their helmets and the dark heavy armor they had. In the miniseries it didnt even look like armor, just some fancy cloth.

And I also think that the Sardaukar did use guns. They used lasguns. It is said in the books that they use lasguns and it is obvious. If the Harkonnen and other Houses use them, then the most well-trained and elite soldiers of the Emperor must use them also.

[nemafakei]

Why do the uniforms never get dirty on Arrakis?

Aside from that, I agree that the fighting scenes could have been more realistic. Both sides needed to show more intelligence.