Recreation

[Dude_Doc]

I'm sure most of you have heard about the cloned cat, cc (cloned cat, carbon copy etc). The same company wants to, in the future, to recreate people's most loved pets, like in "6th Day", when they recreate the dog etc, and make money on this. The problem is not the money, but the recreation itself. I think it's disgusting, and I will hate every person who goes there to clone his pet back, and I mean it! How can people even think of this? It's like one of your friends dies in some car crash, and what, you just copy his memory and his body and you got your friend back? Is that it? No! It is not! It's a way of looking down on living things, a disrespect. And not only because I'm a christian, but I see it in every other way as well. Even a person who doesn't believe in anything is smart enought of not making this kind of thing. Even if you see your cat as some living sack of atoms, placed in a certain order, and every other evolutionary thing, it is still a disrespect of a living being. You wouldn't, for example, go out and dig up someone's grave, would you? And then clone that body? It's really disgusting. Sure, science is good, medicine is good, astronomy is good, but to use these to point your middle finger at death, that's the most disgusting way of making money.

[Dude_Doc]

Here's the link:

http://www.cnn.com/2003/TECH/science/01/21/cloned.cat.ap/index.html

[Acriku]

I say: Just get another damn pet.

[emprworm]

ya it is pretty sick.

ppl that do that have some real bad issues in life.

[Dude_Doc]

I'd rather take drugs the rest of my life than clone my cat.

[Cyborg]

Heh, we humans are getting far, far too technologically advanced for our own good.

Why not blow ourselves back to the stoneage? It's only to press a few red buttons and we're quite a few centuries back in time... ;D

"World war 2 was fought with guns and bombs. We cannot know what weapons we will use in world war 3, but world war 4 will be fought with sticks and stones" - Inaccurate rewrite of something I saw on discovery channel :)

[Acriku]

Einstein said that right Cyborg?

EMP missiles can already send us back to without electricity. Not necessarily stone age, but we're screwed anyways.

We cloned many things that people don't know about, rats, a spider monkey, cats, mice, etc. Even if it is outlawed, scientists will find a way.

[Dude_Doc]

I'd rather see progression in robotics and A.I. and augmentations than this kind off bullshi_. Why not play with ourselves and see how pretty we become when inserting bio-tech? We'd screwed up so much already, what do a few mistakes make a difference?

Medicine and cure, that I do support. I love times when I can read that a cure for some virus that kills thousands of people each day is finally created. I'd probably go insane if men landed on Mars next year. Sure, cloning can be good to make organs for people who need them, but using this only to recreate the living only gets me closer to literally puke.

[Caid Ivik]

I think I have enough of cloning...

GIVE OUR CHILDREN A RIGHT TO REMAIN UNIQUE! STOP CLONING!

[Acriku]

Caid it's just like having an identical twin, they are genetically similar but the environmental factors shape them differently.

[Cyborg]

Einstein said that right Cyborg?

EMP missiles can already send us back to without electricity. Not necessarily stone age, but we're screwed anyways.

Yep he did.

Doesn't electromagnetic pulses only last a couple of minutes before the power is back?

[Acriku]

The pulse does something to the wires or something to destroy it, forgot exactly what but it's in the Popular Science mag if you buy them.

[Cyborg]

I don't buy science mag. I sometimes read "Illustrert vitenskap" though which is a really, really god and fun norwegian science magazine.

[nampigai]

lol cyborg I have that magazine too "illustreret Videnskab"

[Cyborg]

you lucky danish git ;D

Do they sell that great magazine in denmark too?

[nampigai]

yea I believe they sell it in sweden too but offcourse that would be on swedish,

[Cyborg]

Wow, what an international magazine!

It is so good that it should be published all over the globe, though :)

But it would be boring to translate it too much so they probably use their time on making it good rather than translate it into other languages.

They surely know the fact that scandinavia comes first ;)

[Dude_Doc]

Hehe, I have it too, "Illustrerad Vetenskap"...

[Caid Ivik]

Caid it's just like having an identical twin, they are genetically similar but the environmental factors shape them differently.

I know it! Why do you need twin? Altough it's only visual, I don't think you should want to live with feeling that you are just a "picture" of other person. At least I like when most people around me look differently. Also, now they experiment with shape of human, but if we'll permit it, soon they will try to mix our genes with animals. And THEN what would you say?

[Acriku]

Caid I wasn't giving my position on cloning, I was describing what it would be like.

[Caid Ivik]

I know how it would look. But here I am to post my opinion. And that is I don't want to see it.

[Inoculator9]

Have you guys read the Eyes of Heisenberg? The subject of the book is a conflict between altering our bodies genetically or altering them mechanically. This doesn't deal directly with cloning but it's pretty inciteful.

I think cloning has merits under only very narrow circumstances. Cloning pets, IMO, would be unethical, it would show that you really didn't care for that cat it was just the appearance you liked. Cloning people has a huge amount of military benefits, none of which I think we really want. Being able to clone some ambassador and start an incident, or a world leader and start a war is a power that no one country should have. The possibility of breeding programs also presents itself. With the ability to clone the greatest minds and the strongest bodies people could be breed to perfection (that is if we can get by the genetic degradation thing). This would cause world problems between those who have been breed and those who were born normally.

I know those don't have to much apllication to the present, but they are future possibilities.

[Cyborg]

Not only cloning can make humans perfect.

changing of genes in a living humancan make him or her run in 60km/h and do much other weird stuff. But such gene technology doesn't exist yet(not that I know of).

[Dude_Doc]

Why not just copy our brains into machines and live on forever? Whenever we want to learn something, just buy it and insert. One second a helicopter is impossible to control, the other second, it's like you was born for it. And why helicopters? When you can buy your own choppers, when you don't have to breathe, eat, or anything at all except what you like to do?

Anyways, I don't think we should "use" the technology ourselves. Yes, cures and medicines, and things that helps our body (and really helps, not some commercial "eat 1000 of these, become strong"). Use robots to explore, to learn to work and every other stuff we ever need. I can actually imagine how the pre-Butlerian Jihad times were, probably rated "2:nd to Heaven" in Most Perfect list...

[Caid Ivik]

Our brain isn't a "program". Create any machine, but it won't feel its "self". Shortly, you cannot create a soul. Our body isn't worst thing, those little worms are more endangered. But if you can create a new body, that one could be disused, because you can give him dogma of slavery. Remember Suboids from prequels?