Gaming Etiquette

[Taqwa11]

Here's a pretty good article on gaming etiquette. Last night I played a game on a Caladan map with some jerk named Kindjal86 or something like that. Settings were 30k, one unit, no prebuilt. He was Hark, I was Atreides. Ok, I know what some of you are saying already--those of you knowledgable in the game: "Oh shit, I bet Hark just rushed that missile tank over there and killed that Mino right away, game over!" Well, no, that didn't happen. Sure, he rushed his missile tank over, but I had moved my Mino toward the back of the map so that his missile tank wouldn't be able to find it. Then I built a barracks and pumped out infantry. When his missile tank came over, as I knew it would, he looked around for the mino, but couldn't find it because he hadn't scouted--he just wanted to find the mino, kill it, and make it a two-minute game. Since he couldn't find the mino, he started attacking my MCV with the missile tank. Bad move. MCV's take several missile tank shots to kill. Four cheap infantry killed the missile tank. I then went into Harkdawg's strat--straight to Sard Elites. To make a long story shorter, he kept trying to kill me with repeated all-out assaults, and I held them all off, slowly advancing my army of infantry, Sard Elites, and Minos backed up by repair tanks. The outcome was inevitable. Within two minutes, he would be dead. That's when he said "gtg now. later." I told him, "Right. You know you are losing, so you are quitting." He said something like, "You don't even know how to attack." I said, "I am Atreides. Give me time." He said something like, "You are a gay Atreides." I said, "In just a minute the game will be over, so give me a minute." He said, "You suck," and he disconnected.

I really hate people like that who

1. Use cheap early tactics

2. Won't stick around when their cheap early tactics fail.

3. Throw insults at you when they know they are beaten.

4. Will not acknowledge that you played the better game.

I always acknowledge my opponent's skill when he beats me, and I always stick around and let the opponent enjoy the fruits of his labor, i.e., finishing me off. I also don't insult my opponent unless he insults me first.

Anyhow, here is the gaming etiquette article I promised you at the top of this topic. LOL.

http://www.planetcnc.com/features/articles/etiquette/

[undsputed]

He's right, you do suck =)

hehe...The main thing that makes me mad is when they start swearing at you. That really takes the fun outta it. If they want to quit, and I am in position to get the win, then I guess they can go ahead and quit.

I'm not sure I'd call anything cheap......depends what you are referring to exactly :)

[rogue1896]

well if i'm playing with someone i know i might say you suck or something. lol. just as a joke though. but anyway, when you say a cheap early tactic do you include rushing into that category? b/c if you do then you're accusing quite a few people who play ebfd.

[VigilVirus]

Nothing is cheap. Rushing is an excellent tactic, which I use frequently and effectively and I hate people who say that it is a newbie tactic.

Any gamer who starts cursing when he begins to lose is a sore loser, who shouldn't play emp at all.

Quitting is ok when you know that there is nothing you can do and you acknowledge your opponent's victory.

[Taqwa11]

Ok, for clarification, in the game I refer to, the ONLY reason the Hark player set the settings on one unit, no prebuilt, was so that he could run right over with his missile tank, kill my one unit, a mino, with one salvo, and effectively end the game in less than a minute. Now, being an experienced player, I knew it was coming, so I took appropriate measures by hiding my mino at the back corner of my base. He came, he never saw, and I conquered, just as I thought I would. No, he didn't win, but yes, it is a cheap tactic. No, I didn't have to join his game on those settings, but yes, I wanted to kick his ass for being so obviously "cheap." I took the gamble that greatly favored him, and I won. Surely he's had a lot of success against the less experienced and even against some experienced players with that tactic, so he continues to use it. The fact is, he didn't want a game. He wanted to kill my one starting unit, game over, and laugh at me. I gave him a game, and so he quit. For me, a "cheap" tactic is something that leaves a bad taste in my mouth--a tactic that makes me feel cheap and dirty if I use it myself. Personally, I don't want to beat a supererior player with a cheap tactic. Another example would be on a map like Arged Desert, when the Ordos or Hark player immediately moves his starting Kobra or missile tank to the backside of the Atreides base. We all know it takes forever for Atreides to get units back there to defend that move. Another cheap move, in my opinion, is the immediate MCV deployment/partner turret build in the opponent's base. That will effectively end a game in less than two minutes. I hate that, and the one time I used it I felt like a lower life form. It wasn't a game, but rather a dirty joke at my opponent's expense. All's fair in war, of course, but in my opinion, that's a "cheap" tactic because I would feel cheap using it myself. Any tactic is viable. But are some tactics inherently "cheap," for want of a better word? IMHO, yes.

[BRAVO]

stay till the opponant finishes you so he can get his points i hate when i destroy his army and he leaves you get half the points >:(

[VigilVirus]

That's if we're talking about QM

[BRAVO]

well what else do you play ? :P (j/k)

[GhostHunter]

I know how you feel man, I was playing this guy who had this wacky low mount of units, he was hark I was Atr, he tries rushing me.... Thing was I don't think he expected me to know how to A) Counter a lot of Harkonnen rushes and B) Counter and start a Atreides rush.

So when I move in and start killing his harvs and sending more and more units hes like "fuck you, go to hell you stupid ass Atreides rushing newb, people like you are cheap ass's that shouldn't be able to play."

Now as some of you know....Once you insult me like that on Emperor.......Thats the end.....You set me on a god for saken rampage, but anyways I was just showing you I know how ya feel.

And if ya want to know what I said and did when he said that well errr.........Page me lol :)

[Fuzi0n]

Ok, for clarification, in the game I refer to, the ONLY reason the Hark player set the settings on one unit, no prebuilt, was so that he could run right over with his missile tank, kill my one unit, a mino, with one salvo, and effectively end the game in less than a minute. Now, being an experienced player, I knew it was coming, so I took appropriate measures by hiding my mino at the back corner of my base. He came, he never saw, and I conquered, just as I thought I would. No, he didn't win, but yes, it is a cheap tactic. No, I didn't have to join his game on those settings, but yes, I wanted to kick his ass for being so obviously "cheap." I took the gamble that greatly favored him, and I won. Surely he's had a lot of success against the less experienced and even against some experienced players with that tactic, so he continues to use it. The fact is, he didn't want a game. He wanted to kill my one starting unit, game over, and laugh at me. I gave him a game, and so he quit. For me, a "cheap" tactic is something that leaves a bad taste in my mouth--a tactic that makes me feel cheap and dirty if I use it myself. Personally, I don't want to beat a supererior player with a cheap tactic. Another example would be on a map like Arged Desert, when the Ordos or Hark player immediately moves his starting Kobra or missile tank to the backside of the Atreides base. We all know it takes forever for Atreides to get units back there to defend that move. Another cheap move, in my opinion, is the immediate MCV deployment/partner turret build in the opponent's base. That will effectively end a game in less than two minutes. I hate that, and the one time I used it I felt like a lower life form. It wasn't a game, but rather a dirty joke at my opponent's expense. All's fair in war, of course, but in my opinion, that's a "cheap" tactic because I would feel cheap using it myself. Any tactic is viable. But are some tactics inherently "cheap," for want of a better word? IMHO, yes.

True cheap tactics like that ruin the game, people who rush u with the missile tank are just people who cant take a loss, have no skill and want to taste victory for once.

If ur pissed bout peepz using cheap tactics in emp, WC must drive u mad.

Seriously i like WC now cuz i got better, but their are so many cheap ass tactics it kinda takes the fun out.

Just to name a few examples:

Huntmassing, Sorc/priest massing.

Farmhiding,

Nightelfhiding,

Herorushing. And much more...

[rogue1896]

well if he did that in a game that wasn't qm or bcm then that is so horribly pathetic. the purpose of playing a skirmish is to hone your skills and become better, or to just have fun. what's the point in ending a game prematurely because you 'can'? now, don't get me wrong. if i have enough units and i see an unprotected base i'll go for it. but that's not unfair. it's using multiple units to annihilate a weakly defended base. but using something like you said is sad and it makes me cry :'(

[Taqwa11]

Exactly, Rogue. If the only purpose of the game is to end it before it even gets going, what fun is that? As I've said before, my favorite length for a game is 30 minutes and up. I do my fair share of rushing, even as Atreides, but I prefer a longer game.

[rogue1896]

BUT when a game gets over 2 hours its not worth it anymore unless it's actually constant combat. i have had a few of those kinds of games. but only a few. most are just boring as hell standoffs and when you say you want to leave they all call you a pussy. a good game goes from either half an hour to about 2 hours. however, you can have a good game in about 10 minutes, on a rush map that is. the point is you can have fun on any kind of time, etc. that's just my personal preference.

[Taqwa11]

True. The problem with long games, though, is that if someone has a poor connection or a really slow computer, the game lags terribly. So I guess I should revise my comments to say that I like long games providing that all parties have good conns and comps.

[SurlyPIG]

In my books, using settings that give you a major advantage over your opponent is cheap. This includes what this guy did to taq.

If only qm were not so...deceased. It was the epitomy in fair settings. Some would say atreides are disadvantaged, but that's baloni. It requires a much different approach than a high-money game. The rest is just chance, like map, fog, crates, and worms.