A Trick In Knowledge?

[sneezer3]

Sneezer, do you know what inferior means? It means less in order, rank, quality, value, etc. If someone gets one wrong and another gets them all correct, of course that person's paper is superior to the one's who got one wrong! He is above them in rank, order, and value of the paper, but does that mean they are any less of intelligence? NO. Inferior doesn't have to mean stupid or less of a human, you and emprworm are the ones being politically correct! A person wins the spelling bee, he is superior to all other contestants in this aspect, because he is above in rank, order, and in value of the trophy. God is superior to us. Jesus is superior to us. Jesus is perfect, never wrong. Therefore, since he is right in everything he does, he is superior. Therefore if you are right in any aspect, you are superior to everybody else. You win an olympic game, first place, you are superior to anyone else who tried to win.

And I have no idea where you got that response from, but it smells of something fowl. I do standby my arguments, but only if I think I am correct! Edric thinks his arguments are correct until someone might correct him on something, ACE does the same thing, we all do it. And what does this part of argument have to do with anything conscerning believing or not with their arguments? I do, you do, sneezer does, so who are these people that are spongy-minded panzies that are so cowardly they cannot take a stand for something they believe in?

That is exactly what i was trying to say. but if somebody is wrong and does not know it it does notmake the one that is right inferior. By any other way then then being right. and i don't know any chirstian that brags about being inferior or says anything about being inferior. but there probbly are some. You know what that say it takes all kinds to make the world go around. ;D

you know i tryed to wittnes to some people some at diffrant times. . bbelived in evloion. One wonderd why God let his grandma die and another wonderd. eh well haven't encounted another yet.

You might can bearly take on 1 crateionest but not two ;D j/k

[Acriku]

*Makes mental note to replace inferior with superior*

In arguments there can be no superior or inferior but in the minds of the arguer, because there is no real answer to anything. No black and white. If it was black and white, there wouldn't be any arguing going on, and if there is arguing going on it is simply a mistake on the person's behalf.

And if you think this is a win/lose discussion, may God help you. Mwahaha.

[sneezer3]

And if you think this is a win/lose discussion, may God help you. Mwahaha.

By no means do i think that. i have never attacked what you belived in anyway. just defended what i belived in. if i did well. ;D we won't go in to that

[Acriku]

Well considering your last sentence in the post above, it seemed to me I was "taking" on two creationists, as if there was a result in it, in which you implied I couldn't "handle" it, and that I would lose.

[sneezer3]

Well considering your last sentence in the post above, it seemed to me I was "taking" on two creationists, as if there was a result in it, in which you implied I couldn't "handle" it, and that I would lose.

I was just jokeing. shesh lightin up. :P

And what i meant by it was if one din't know something the other one probbly would. thats what i meant by it. if one din't know the answer to something you might have said the other one probbly would.

[emprworm]

And I have no idea where you got that response from, but it smells of something fowl. I do standby my arguments, but only if I think I am correct! Edric thinks his arguments are correct until someone might correct him on something, ACE does the same thing, we all do it. And what does this part of argument have to do with anything conscerning believing or not with their arguments? I do, you do, sneezer does, so who are these people that are spongy-minded panzies that are so cowardly they cannot take a stand for something they believe in?

wow, how nice Acriku. Everyone except the Christians are willing to be corrected. I guess you are superior to them eh?

Basically your whole argument is absurd and to be honest with you, one big deception. I wouldnt go so far as to call it a lie, because I like you, but I'm close.

I think the Palestinians are WRONG in their stance regarding Israel. I am not willing to accept correction on this matter. I will hold this position, I will not waffle like Bill Clinton, a lawyer, or a politician. If you are going to equivocate that to me saying that I am superior to a palestinian then:

1) You are shoving words in my mouth, making you dishonorable

2) You are twisting what I say into what you WANT me to be saying

3)- (most important) You are wrong. Empirically.

You see, Acriku, you are in a most dire predicament. You are making assumptions about what I am thinking. Only I know what I am thinking. And when I tell you that my statement "The Palestinian view of Israel is wrong" DOES NOT EQUAL "Palestinians are inferior to me" ...and then!!!....despite me telling you that, you STILL are going to shove your words in my mouth and try to tell me what I am thinking, I quickly determine that your actions are foul, dishonorable, and frankly downright revolting.

You see, you have no right to try and tell me what I think about others. Because, well, you have no idea. You are projecting your bias against Christianity and, ironically, it is YOU who are slamming them all beneath you.

" The high and mighty Acriku is so tolerant and so evolved beyond those oppressive, judgmental Christians" ...

Hmmm....does that kind of thought ring a bell inside your mind? Of course I dont know that, but based upon your statements, i wouldnt be surprised.

Using your (bad) logic, therefore all republicans see themselves as superior to democrats and vice versa.

You try to weasel your way out of it by saying "well at least WE would accept counter-proof."

Well...DUH...so would any Christian I have ever known in my life. You show us the dead body of Jesus, and you will have a new revert.

But cut your crap about trying to tell ME what I think about people because you are WRONG.

I know what I am thinking ...you dont. You try to tell me what I am thinking and guess what??..

YOU ARE WRONG....I AM RIGHT

And I still dont think I'm superior to you.

[Acriku]

You know, this is why I said in arguments there can be no superior or inferior body. So you typed all of that for a misreading. Good show chap!

And I see I am not the only one making assumptions on what somebody else is thinking. From my posts I never did say or imply that Christians are not willing to be corrected, I included Edric and myself and ACE with the example, so how do you get only christians? But really, if you believe so much in your bible and god, you would deny any attempt to be corrected about it. You would not be willing to be corrected. This goes for anybody and their religion. For their dogma, their single system of beliefs that they shall die with, shall live with, and shall fight with.

And another thing, you couldn't possibly have gotten all of that from my posts. It seems to me someone has issues with athiests.

[GhostHunter]

My mother made a point to me she said "People say if you do this your going to go to hell...And if you dont your going to heaven she said "Well I dont believe that, for if god didn't want us to do the stuff like that then we wouldn't have the power to do it ourselves" I jus summed it up sorta...

[emprworm]

And another thing, you couldn't possibly have gotten all of that from my posts. It seems to me someone has issues with athiests

i got it from this:

Empr, do you not know what thinking your right and thinking the other is wrong means? It means you think you are superior in this matter, maybe not wholly superior, but in the matter of religion you feel you are superior to the nasty scum disease-ridden infidels for example. You think other religions are irrational, therefore INFERIOR, therefore the followers are INFERIOR.

which is wrong. objectively. And no, I do not think I'm superior to you, despite you being totally wrong.

But really, if you believe so much in your bible and god, you would deny any attempt to be corrected about it. You would not be willing to be corrected.

this is irrelevant to whether or not someone thinks they are superior to someone. Believing you are right and truly believing it does not mean you are superior. Perhaps in your mind that is the case, but it exists only in your mind. If you perceive someone who believes in something you reject as equivocating that they believe you are inferior, then you have some issues to deal with.

And, btw, I dont think you have a very good understanding of Christianity. You show me the dead body of Jesus, and I'm out. Paul, the apostle, agrees.

But if there is no resurrection of the dead, not even Christ has been raised; and if Christ has not been raised, then our preaching is vain, your faith also is vain. Moreover we are even found to be false witnesses of God, because we testified against God that He raised Christ, whom He did not raise, if in fact the dead are not raised. For if the dead are not raised, not even Christ has been raised; and if Christ has not been raised, your faith is worthless; you are still in your sins. Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ have perished. If we have hoped in Christ in this life only, we, of all men are most to be pitied.

1 Cor 15

[sneezer3]

really, if you believe so much in your bible and god, you would deny any attempt to be corrected about it. You would not be willing to be corrected. This goes for anybody and their religion.

if i was saying something wrong about the bible or takeing something out of context i'd want to know about it ::)

But i see your point. and its not nothing i din't already know. People belive in all kinds of things. and they all don't want to give it up. Thats the devils grip on most people. They belive a certin way and want to keep beliveing that way even if there wrong. and proven wrong. and are in a False religion.

[emprworm]

It seems to me someone has issues with athiests.

I wouldnt say "issues." I have no issue with any atheist. I do have a perception, however (basically a belief), that many atheists think they are intellectually superior to theists, whom they feel are irrational. Secondly, I have another perception -...a belief.... that many of those same atheists have a very emotional bias against Christianity above all other world religions. Even though their world view is "supposed" to treat all god(s) as equally irrational, for some reason, it is the Christian religion in particular that most irritates them. Kind of gets on their nerves,....rowls them up....makes them angry...etc.

Just a perception. Not a personal issue by any means. I Could be wrong. Its just a belief I have. And not applicable to all atheists.

[Acriku]

I know you knew that sneezer, I was just addressing to empr that Christians will not revert if shown counter-evidence. Especially evidence that is impossible to find, seeing as all we could find was his bones, which are god knows where. Oh yeah, I guess he does hehe.

Empr: Where do you get

You try to weasel your way out of it by saying "well at least WE would accept counter-proof."

Well...DUH...so would any Christian I have ever known in my life. You show us the dead body of Jesus, and you will have a new revert.

from that quote you just quoted? Anyways, you think I am objectively wrong, totally wrong, meaning you are objectively right, and totally right! You are fooling yourself if you don't feel superior to me in this aspect. I am not telling you what you think, I am informing you that anytime you think you know more about something than somebody else, or know what's right and what's wrong about something and somebody else doesn't, you do feel superior. Maybe you are being politically correct? Don't mind me, I don't care if you feel superior to me. You know there are people better than others, there is no way there is no superior body.

And how the hell do you suppose I show you the body of Jesus Christ? You are only telling me to do that because you know I can't, giving no notice that you are afraid to be wrong, that you can't accept being wrong with your beliefs and that your beliefs are totally right. If you believe your beliefs to be totally right, then any notice or sign of correction on your part would be so offensive it must hurt! Or maybe you don't really believe you're totally right, and are just saying that to try to prove something to me, perhaps your religion?

[Acriku]

Aha! You believe most athiests feel superior to Christians, and I believe most christians feel superior to athiests. And you believe I am totally wrong, and you totally right! ROFL this is great. You are just so caught up in your beliefs that anyone else otherwise is totally wrong. It all makes sense now.

[emprworm]

I am not telling you what you think, I am informing you that anytime you think you know more about something than somebody else, or know what's right and what's wrong about something and somebody else doesn't, you do feel superior

honestly, Acriku. I do not know what other people feel, but that is a really truly bizzarre opinion to have. It is 100% absolutely wrong. Perhaps YOU always have a feeling of supieriority when you know someone is wrong and you are right, but I dont. In fact, many times I feel embarrassed or humbled.

Take for example my debate with Zamboe in the riddle thread. He challenged my mathwith the robot duel . Now, I know 100% empirically as I know there will be a tomorrow that I was right and he was wrong. I know this as I know that the earth is round. Yet not once did I have even the SLIGHTEST INKLING that I was better than him. In fact, I find Zamboe to be an extremely intelligent guy. He just wasn't grasping the problem is all. I spent a LOT of time explaining it to him so he could understand it. Not because he was inferior, but simply because I saw it as an opportunity to help someone understand something as other have helped me understand things. I think zamboe is highly intelligent.

I think you are intelligent as well. And WRONG about this.

Here is what I'm trying to say and I honestly enjoy our discussions:

It is apparant that when you know you are right about something that you have this feeling inside you that you are superior. Maybe this is just how you always grew up. Now, I am not going to judge you for that, but I can tell you most assuredly that I have no such feelings. I do not think I'm better than you because of it, I am not even judging you. I have never honestly known anyone in my life (until you) that had this kind of a notion. PLEASE PLEASE dont assume that the way you feel about something is they way other people feel. I know that you may have those feelings when you are right and someone else is wrong, but that doesn't mean that others do. I have corrected people NUMEROUS times in my life regarding things I knew they were wrong about. Feelings of superiority wasn't even in the equation, let alone on the horizon.

[exatreide]

It seems to me someone has issues with athiests.

I wouldnt say "issues." I have no issue with any atheist. I do have a perception, however (basically a belief), that many atheists think they are intellectually superior to theists, whom they feel are irrational. Secondly, I have another perception -...a belief.... that many of those same atheists have a very emotional bias against Christianity above all other world religions. Even though their world view is "supposed" to treat all god(s) as equally irrational, for some reason, it is the Christian religion in particular that most irritates them. Kind of gets on their nerves,....rowls them up....makes them angry...etc.

Just a perception. Not a personal issue by any means. I Could be wrong. Its just a belief I have. And not applicable to all atheists.

I hate the christian god

I hate the buhdist gods

I hate the Hindu gods

I hate the islam god.

but i hate them all with equalness :)

[emprworm]

You believe most athiests feel superior to Christians, and I believe most christians feel superior to athiests

no, Acriku. State my views correctly. I believe that MANY (not most) atheists feel intellectually superior to Christians, while you believe most christians feel superior to athiests

this is not the same

[Acriku]

Note my post on page 2,

If it was black and white, there wouldn't be any arguing going on, and if there is arguing going on it is simply a mistake on the person's behalf.

If something is correct with no doubt, and there is an argument about it, it is but a mistake! No account of superiority is taken place, it was just a mistake or an error. But if it is something that is gray and not black and white, and you think you are correct, then you feel superior. And also note that superiority does not always come in the form of feeling better than someone. It can come in a sense of wisdom in one's self, a feeling of pride, the way you raise your eyebrows when you inform somebody of something, etc.

Also, *edited cuz I just saw the post*, you know what I meant when I said superior :P I didn't want to have to type out the loooong word (and big mind you) intellectually. My fingers hurt now. Also, many most many most there is little difference, many could mean 99 people out of 100, or 2 out of 100, depends on the situation.

[emprworm]

If something is correct with no doubt, and there is an argument about it, it is but a mistake! No account superiority is taken place, it was just a mistake or an error. But if it is something that is gray and not black and white, and you think you are correct, then you feel superior.

again, maybe YOU feel this way but I dont. Not even close.

the constancy of the speed of light is a gray area. I believe that the speed of light is not a constant, but is slowing down. This is my belief. And I dont feel superior to anyone who feels otherwise.

I believe the universe is created. And I dont feel superior to anyone who feels otherwise.

I do not believe in advanced alien life. And I dont feel superior to anyone who feels otherwise.

I do not believe in worm holes. And I dont feel superior to anyone who feels otherwise.

I believe that Palestinians have no rights at all to Israel. And I dont feel superior to anyone who feels otherwise.

all gray areas. maybe YOU feel superior when you have a belief in these, but i dont.

[Acriku]

So you have no feeling whatsoever when you propose the theory of the inconsistancy of the speed of light and somebody tries to prove it wrong? Any feeling that arises, whether it be a feeling of laughter, a feeling of offense, etc, are derived from the superiority/inferiority complex.

Behold Acriku's Logic!

[emprworm]

i get a feeling that the person is wrong.

note: this is the EXACT same feeling I get, though LESS INTENSE, and LESS CERTAIN as I get when someone says "1+1=3"

I have 2 versions of the same feeling:

VERSION A (less certain, less intense version): I believe you are wrong (regarding evolution/creation)

VERSION B (much more intense, but the exact same feeling, just with total certainty): I ***KNOW*** you are wrong (regarding someone telling me the wrong answer to a math problem, for example)

there is no inferiority in there at all.

anywhere

[Acriku]

When somebody says "1+1=10" you immediately put yourself in front of that person in your mind saying this person is wrong, because blah blah blah. You don't take into consideration whether or not they might be right, by putting them in front of you and studying them, you shove them to the back of your mind (you are above in rank/order, therefore superior in your mind) and start to explain that they are wrong and why.

They then explain themselves after you, saying if you have the number 1, plus the number 1, equals 2, which is 10 in binary code, they would be correct. They were correct, but you put yourselves ahead of them in all denial that they are wrong.

[emprworm]

[Acriku]

Yes, hmm, and just whatever will you do when you run into a psychologist? Or how about a cognitive analyst? Scream and run away from that intrusive poppycock of a science? They tell you what is going on in your mind, are they all rubbish? Your mind is not composed of an awareness solely, as there lies beneath awareness comes the unconscious. Behold such a word not whether it be rubbish in the mind, but upon which it tells us all! All that is going on in that head of yours, all that is poppycock to you, all that is just and right to you, all that is. All.

[emprworm]

the problem is, Acriku, no matter how nice and "sciency" it sounds, you are still wrong. You do not know what I think about other people beyond what I say. I believe people are wrong. Billions of them. I believe all of Buddhism is wrong. All of it. I believe all 1+ billion Muslims on earth are wrong. I believe 1 billion hindus are wrong. If you want to think they are right, well, go right ahead. But here's the deal.

If Acriku thinks Hindu's are right, I wont think any less of Acriku.

And despite me thinking that billions of people in this world are wrong, I am not superior to, nor even intrincily better than any of them. Like me, they have the ability to choose their beliefs, and they conclude other than I do. Their freedom, their right as humans, and I will come to their defense if any other human tries to take that right away from them. No matter what color of skin, no matter what continent or religion, their blood is the same color as mine. And I am part of the same race as them: human. I am not superior to any of them. Being wrong is part of life. Because I am wrong about things, I dont count myself as superior when I believe someone else is wrong too. Maybe you do, but not me.

You can label and judge me all you want Acriku. But you really have no idea what I feel about others. Despite me telling you that you are wrong, you still refuse to accept the fact that you are unable to read my thoughts, therefore there is nothing further I can add to this squabble.

[quoudam72]

You can label and judge me all you want Acriku. But you really have no idea what I feel about others. Despite me telling you that you are wrong, you still refuse to accept the fact that you are unable to read my thoughts, therefore there is nothing further I can add to this squabble.

I agree with you on that one Emprwrn. I get the feeling that some here have just begun to argue for the sake of an arguement.