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[Acriku]

ACE, I meant homemade guns...you can make some you know? Might not be as pretty as real ones, but with the internet and determination, you can make one. And with a huge knife, or even a kitchen knife, they can do a lot of damage. What if the school students didn't have enough courage to fight back, knowing they might die? Then the guys would have done a lot of damage. Also, didn't the guys have automatics? Banning the use of handguns would prove futile if they got automatics.

[SurlyPIG]

Who said anything about banning handguns alone? And I doubt that you'd be able to make a gun that's 1/10 as effective as a manufactured one. I guarantee you there'd be a few amongst the school who'd fight back. I know Ju-jitso so I sure would. I can think of 6 disarming maneuvers I could use right off the top of my head.

[TMA_1]

its jujitsu, or better pronounced jujutsu. I attained a brown belt in that art actually. You are very immature in your arguments ACE. you slandor against people and dont talk logically. You just spew out an opinion that is clearly politically correct. You dont point out problems you just take what somebody says, twist it and then add your two cents in. The issue wiht guns is that they shouldnt be hindered in sale and same with ammounition. Crime rates are only bad in certain cercumstances in america. Guns are not the danger. People use guns. You still dont accept that fact. Guns are not walking on the streets killing people. Guns just make it easier for somebody to kill another person. I promise to you though, if you want to kill somebody, you would find a way.

also this discussion is off topic. put it back on topic.lol

[rogue1896]

don't start a war now. just argue, no insults, no hitting below the belt, etc. etc.

[TMA_1]

What do you guys think would be a good way to improve the government system? like what kind of things would you change about america?

[Acriku]

I'd change the law system in some way or another to prevent stupid wasteful lawsuits, and still allow rightful lawsuits.

[TMA_1]

I would probably change the taxing system we have. move it more to a state level than afederal level. Too much money wasted.

[emprworm]

A gun is ONLY supposed to kill. It does nothing else. It symbolizes war, loss, death and suffering.

yet without those guns, Edric's country would still be ruled by a tyrant.

[Edric O]

yet without those guns, Edric's country would still be ruled by a tyrant

Don't speak about things you don't know, Emprworm. The people (the heroes) who overthrew Ceausescu 13 years ago had no guns. The ARMY had guns, and they sided with the people.

Ethan, there is nothing wrong with target-shooting. But I think that if you had to own some other sort of weapon, which looked exactly the same but only used non-lethal rounds, that would be a small price to pay for a general increase in public safety.

[emprworm]

Don't speak about things you don't know, Emprworm. The people (the heroes) who overthrew Ceausescu 13 years ago had no guns. The ARMY had guns, and they sided with the people

lol, cmon Edric. Get real. Your revolt would have failed without the guns of the Army. You know it. As much as you like to think that a bunch of people got together and held hands singing "Kum-by-yah" with smiles John-Lennon style "Give peace a chance...pleeezzze", the truth is that such an idea is delusional. Freedom has never (to my knowledge) in history ever been obtained by a bunch of people singing songs and holding hands, it always comes at the price of blood. Without those guns, Romania would be under tyrranical control. I am as certain of that as I am that the sun will rise tomorrow (and that is not 100%, but pretty darn close)

oh and one more thing, how fortunate it is for you that the army was on your side, since the people were disarmed.

makes me very glad to know that the people of my country can bear arms so that if something like Romania happened to us, I wouldn't have to put all my hopes into an Army since we will already have plenty of guns amongst the people.

[Edric O]

Did I ever say anything against the army having guns? Well, you know, being the ARMY and all... you'd expect them to have guns... ::)

Of course freedom is paid for in blood. In fact, that is what we did. True heroes died in our revolution... They gave their lives so that we would be free. I have the highest respect for them.

But your notion that the American people has any chance of standing up against your government is laughable. You might be able to put up more of a fight, but your guns won't do squat against army tanks and F16's. Without at least SOME support from the army, any insurrection will be crushed in a bloodbath.

[emprworm]

yea i suppose that is right. we dont have tanks amongst the civillian population. however, make no bones about it, it would not be a slam dunk win for the army. they would have to use weapons of mass destruction against us. There are just not enough tanks to suppress the approximately 200 million privately owned guns in the US. lol. Thats just too much firepower. having an armed populus keeps the government in check. but i do agree that if the army used weapons of mass destruction, 200 million guns would be a mosquito. yet i dont think the army would be unified doing that since the army is made up of sons and daughters that would be killing their parents using weapons of mass destruction

[rogue1896]

i thought our government was made with the idea to let something like that never happen. you know, with the senate and the house of reps and so on. it'd be kind of hard to assume a dictatorship if you were prez b/c of all those ppl you'd have to get to be on your side.

and emprworm, i highly doubt ANYONE would be dumb enough to nuke their own homeland. it's just ludicrous. the earth is a strictly limited area, we cannot go around thoughtlessly polluting it with radiation and so on.

[Edric O]

Launching a nuke is mostly an automated process. Only a few loyal troops are required to carry out the presidential order. After they see a city obliterated in nuclear hell, the people will surrender and comply with the orders of their new masters.

[rogue1896]

i just think that would be a waste of a perfectly good city.

[emprworm]

with the senate and the house of reps and so on. it'd be kind of hard to assume a dictatorship if you were prez b/c of all those ppl you'd have to get to be on your side.

uhhh, i like to think this. In the beginning this was true, but political processes have become so utterly corrupted that it is fully conceivable that we could become a suppressive regime where the rights of the citicenz are granted by the government, and not inherent. Once this happens, dictatorship is not far away. I see our government as being in a state of decay. First a society decays morally, and then once that happens, it collapses. Look at Rome. Rome collapsed as a result of utter moral decay. Divorce rate had quadrupled, homosexuality ran rampant, butchering of innocent Christians in the colleseium for entertainment, massive public orgies and the like all skyrocketed to the point where there was no moral fabric left- nothing. Then the society collapsed. My belief is that America will undergo the same thing. It will happen to Europe as well. I see the entire world one day being ruled by a small governing body of rulers ultimately headed by one person- namely the Antichrist.

Those are my beliefs. Feel free to disagree.

[Edric O]

lol :)

But the sad fact is, if it becomes more profitable than democracy, they WILL do it.

Edit: This post was addressed to Rogue.

[Edric O]

Disagree? You are absolutely right, Emprworm!

That is why I must stop this decay and corruption, or die trying.

[Acriku]

Oh please Edric and Empr. The military are not brainwashed machines bent on killing the enemy, whoever it may be. They are human beings, and will not kill their own people just because it was an order, and just for power.

[Edric O]

Don't be so sure. Soldiers can be fooled too. They don't have to know just what are the targets of their missiles. And the government could easily convince them that the insurrection in one city is actually a foreign terrorist act. Just make sure their relatives and loved ones live far enough.

[Acriku]

The military themselves enter the coordinates, so they will know where it goes. And once again, the military fights for the protection of its country, why and how in the hell would it be convinced to bomb their own city?

[Edric O]

They can be persuaded... most people have a price. As long as the people they care for are not at risk, a few million dollars will do it.

[Acriku]

Edric, you have no idea what you are talking about. You are putting commonly known perceptions into a system that makes a civilian much more than that. If you go through bootcamp, you will come out a new man, or woman, and with a whole new understanding of protecting your country, and your friends. I have three friends from the Marine Corps that have each stated their feelings before and after, and I believe I know what I'm talking about. PFC Carmona is one of them, and one of my best friends.

[TMA_1]

your guys' bickering is getting kinda annoying. ;)

[SurlyPIG]

The entire world keeps the rest of the entire world in check. If a communist takeover were to actually happen in the US, emprworm, the armies of the UK, Canada, Germany, France, Australia, Japan, South Korea, Russia, etc would ALL barge in, and overthrow the government for you, much in the same was that was done with Afghanistan. If you factor nukes in, well, then the entire world goes bye-bye, but how likely is that to happen?