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On 9/12/2017 at 9:56 PM, Cm_blast said:

Edit:

Played missions 4 and 5. They are good.
But maybe you didn't know that the in mission 5 the mercenary side train a eengineer. the AI don't send him to capture anything, but he it is.

 

Oh, hey, I didn't notice those edits, I had notifications on for replies on this post, but they didn't come up, so I didn't realise you'd replied.  Sorry about that.
I hadn't noticed that with the merc AI, thanks for the heads-up.  They'll now start with one light infantry, and one trooper.  Hopefully that'll do it.
 

 

On 9/12/2017 at 9:56 PM, Cm_blast said:

Played missions 6 and 7:
Now it is hard. I had lots of trouble because I through the enemies will attack the starport sooner or later, but that didn't happen until the very end. But of course, I didn't know that and didn't wanted to move those initial units to avoid loosing the building.

Haha, that'll be my loyalty to the original there.  You expect the Starport to be attacked, until consistent attacks on the main base lul you into a false sense of security.  Then, right at the end, when the player might have moved their defences, they come gunning for it.  V4, the Starport will be attacked more regularly.

 

 

On 9/12/2017 at 9:56 PM, Cm_blast said:

Mission 7 was really hard. They are coming for multiple areas and I was loosing harverster but I didn't even know when. I was "wait, I had 2 harverster there, where is the other?" and 2 minutes later "come on! I loose both?"

They were using a strong attacks or something. Not "harverster under attack" or sandworm attack voice line, so there were killing the harverster real fast between my "training" "unit ready".

The only reason I manage to survive was because a group of imperials were attacking my harverster at the left zone of the closest mine field. I retreated the harverster into my ally base; they protect it and start to march against other closest enemies, so they fought other units coming my way and even protect the harversters I had in the right zone.

Ps: The Atreides are trolls. They send the airstrike 3 squares up of my small groups of units, destroying sardaukar for me, that was hilarious xD.

The original mission 7 was one of my favourite missions in the campaign.  My only complaint about it had been that it was too easy, and thus, over too fast, so when I remade it, my main focus was bulking up the enemy.

 

I should have an update on the way in the next day or so, including a bonus mission, set between missions 6 and 7, based on the Ordos having received their Deviators, but not having learned to build them for themselves yet.

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5 hours ago, Domaithianus said:

Oh, hey, I didn't notice those edits, I had notifications on for replies on this post, but they didn't come up, so I didn't realise you'd replied.  Sorry about that.

I didn't want to create triple post, so I edited. I was about to do a new post after ending the campaign, which I am already halfway mission 9.

5 hours ago, Domaithianus said:

Haha, that'll be my loyalty to the original there.  You expect the Starport to be attacked, until consistent attacks on the main base lul you into a false sense of security.  Then, right at the end, when the player might have moved their defences, they come gunning for it.  V4, the Starport will be attacked more regularly.

I needed to reload the save because of that. I knew enemies will come against me at the end, but I saved like 3-4 minutes or so before times run out, just in case. So I reloaded, defended and profit.

Mission 8. all those infantry-like units from imperials was hard to stop sometimes. I ended using a few harverster to crush, until I got the siege tanks to stop them.

I don't know if was on purpose, but I didn't notice the Fremen until I saw them fighting the mercs.

And mission 9 it's fine. Hilarious seeing so many attacks against the mercs that I didn't even care XD. He lost the rocket turrets in the corner, but those were too easy to destroy so I decided to just give up those and focus in the others better.

Oh, there is a problem in naming the final mission:
Ordos - Mission 9v3
Ordos Mission 9v4

So they don't match in the mission launcher.

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6 hours ago, Cm_blast said:

Oh, there is a problem in naming the final mission:

Ordos - Mission 9v3
Ordos Mission 9v4

So they don't match in the mission launcher.

Oh yeah, I noticed that before, then forgot to fix it.  Thanks for pointing it out, it's now in the new update, which is ready here:

OrdosCampaign200.7z

This also contains the bonus mission 'How to Build a Deviator' as well as all missions (including the bonus one) playable as allied sub-houses.

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9 hours ago, Domaithianus said:

Oh yeah, I noticed that before, then forgot to fix it.  Thanks for pointing it out, it's now in the new update, which is ready here:

OrdosCampaign200.7z

This also contains the bonus mission 'How to Build a Deviator' as well as all missions (including the bonus one) playable as allied sub-houses.

Now in the Mercenary sub-section the mission 9 have the same problem xD.
Ordos - Mission 9v3
Ordos Mission 9v4

The playable as sub-houses are exactly the same or has some kind of help for the player? (since the AI is not a great player).

I see you let the AI building engineers. Maybe you should remove that, or else the maps are going to be nearly impossible. They are already hard with all the enemy waves, and having an AI that waste 500 credits on engineers don't help at all =(.

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Now I'm playing your versions (Alternative missions). It seems interesting.

01V3 - The enemy forces are not high and you have too many units. This mission is boring as in the original.
02V3 - It's too easy and it's nothing special.
03V3 - Already something interesting. The mission is good, but I defeated the enemy easily.
04V3 - Something else and I liked it. More enemies and more complexity. But the mission itself was not hard.
04V4 - The same but also very interesting. Good job.
05V2 - Looks like original, just more space and more difficulty. I am glad that the enemies are strong. I mean the enemy has a missile tanks. It's just great. The mission is not hard.
05V3 - I thought I will have a lot of difficulties. But it was not. In the beginning it was complicated but then easy.
06V3 - There is something serious here. I had to really concentrate on this mission. This time it was not easy. But I liked it. Good job;)
O6V4 - This version is easy. But also interesting.
Bonus Mission - For fun this mission. I enjoyed to play.
O7V2 and O7V3 - These versions are very complicated.  Somehow I survived. But I liked it.  Easy to defeat enemies. Only the beginning is hard.
O8V2 and O8V3 - A bit easier. Also easy to beat enemies.
O9V3 - Now there is something good. Enemies are not easy. I like when the enemies is not easy to defeat. Well done;)
O9V4 - I completed all your missions/versions. I enjoyed the final missions;)

Really good missions.:) I recommend to create for others houses.

The sub-houses missions is really bad for AI. I did not try to play but played the dato. Too much Hard. AI must have a full base as enemies. You should change that, otherwise play is meaningless.

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Hey @Domaithianus! We haven't heard from you in a while, so I hope everything's okay. I've had more time to play, so here's what I found on the remaining maps.

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O6V3: This was a good mission to come back to. I'm very rusty, but I beat it just fine. The map layout is very well-suited to the AI attacks, reinforcements are perfectly manageable, enemy bases have multiple entrances which I liked, and when Ordos reinforcements began to arrive, it was over pretty quickly. Expertly done map progression!

I'd like a few less unbuildable tiles on the Starport island, and there's a cliff that tanks can traverse on the north side of the smuggler base. I don't know if that's just me, but if you find it, put a rock on the cliff!

O6V4: This one's a good deal easier due to the smugglers' position. I adore the ridges and cliffs with turrets nearer the player's base, but the cliff walls to the north and east certainly are... obstructive. They could probably use a few curves! The map is open enough, I think, so there's no need to put breaks in them. It seemed you wanted to ferry enemy units to the northeast attack vector.

Since this map went a lot smoother, I was quite ready to attack before the 30 minute mark, so that last reinforcement at about 3 mins left on the timer I could do without. However, the Atreides infantry that came down during that wave were... interesting! I think you could have more infantry-based attacks, and if you put a curve in the cliff by the Harkonnen base where you could drop an infantry-only entrance, it would help their attacks' pace as well.

I notice the Atreides base is in the far northeast, so the Atreides infantry reinforcements that arrived must have been dropped in that blocked-off area. I think the northwest area of the map could use some reshaping in general, but it's pretty much an aesthetic complaint. If you do, perhaps you could add a small Atreides expansion with a barracks and open the area up! Feels like a barracks would be nice there.

Finally, the worms were a couple of real jerks on this map. Do they both spawn close to the player's base, or what?

O7V2: Those little segments of wall near the Spice fields are appreciated.

This level really brutalized me at first. They send a lot of infantry, Sardaukar and Sonic Tanks, so a couple of Siege Tanks in place of those Combat Tanks at the start would probably go to better use. Maybe more Raiders over Quads and then all the infantry could be Troopers? The original level had two Siege Tanks to start, so at least that would be nice.

Destroying the two Atreides expansions and, less so, the main Atreides base, was a lot easier. That said, I believe the beginning of the map is overtuned while the latter stages are undertuned. Nerf enemy attacks at the start, buff enemy defenses later on, and I think this map will feel a lot better!

O7V3: REEE the walls are not here. :( But starting with two Wind Traps and two Siege Tanks made this level WAY easier to start than the other version. It made a huge difference.

The enemy defenses are better and the beginning is easier, which were my only problems with the last map. I think this version is better, but... the player's base could be moved a liiiittle bit closer to those Spice fields or some walls could be added. Particularly the southern Spice field; my Harvesters finished the closest Spice field to the west very quickly, and then my Harvesters and the Atreides' and Imperials' were all sharing the same field. I'd say the infantry-only passage on the south Atreides expansion could be expanded by one tile too. And, something was snatching up my Harvesters constantly. I think it was the worms, so maybe I got some bad RNG but if they're positioned near the player, maybe they could be moved a little further away. It might have been the enemy AI since I used the western Spice field. Again, I think the player's base could be moved a little further south. That'd help with the general Harvester vulnerability.

O8V2: I half love and half hate this map.

The beginning was great. Despite the masses of enemy units, I was able to successfully defend the north base entrance, get my economy going at a great pace, I'd say you could drop a couple of Wind Traps for the player's start because four is a tad much without structures to drain the power. I REALLY like the enemy's unit composition, large attacks, most of the terrain on this map is very well done, I like the large open area just in front of the Atreides base, infantry rock in good locations, the Spice fields are well placed except for that one behind the Atreides base which had me looking for that last Harvester for a while, uhh... it was pretty good.

The island the player starts on is a tad small. This is no problem because not only is there another rock island north of the starting position, but if the walls are removed, there's a good deal more space. I'd recommend nixing a bunch of the walls and just leaving a couple of segments near the west and north base entrances, like how the original O8V1 did it.

The mercenaries prioritizing the Atreides drove me nuts. Clearly, the best place to set up the Refineries was on the north side of the base, and so I targeted the Harkonnen and Imperials first. I've adjusted allied AI priorities to coax them into attacking specific sides on some of my maps, so if you'd like to do such a thing for this map, it's what I'd recommend, but considering that you're basing the style on the original maps, I suppose that's not a suitable idea.

The Atreides, when I attacked them, had a great base layout. I enjoyed prying their defenses open and devouring the meat of their base. The Harkonnen and Imperial bases had pathing that made me REE. If you could reduce the amount of paths a tank will want to take, it'd be easier to funnel them into the entrances. I think they could also use some infantry only entrances, or at least the Harkonnen base could. The Imperials' Starport reinforcements are also pretty nasty... I'd remove some units, like those light vehicles, and let them build them manually instead. That should help.

O8V3: Two Wind Traps at the start! And the beginning worked out fine. Same deal with the economy and Spice fields and stuff.

The ridge north of the starting position should be freed up. Grenadiers would logically be placed there, but they can't be trained. It would be a FANTASTIC spot for some Missile Tanks, Deviators, or Siege Tanks, but there's infantry rock blocking the way up. It just doesn't make any sense. There's also an area on that ridge where some infantry rock clipped off part of a cliff tile.

Once again, the Harkonnen base gave me trouble, but this time it wasn't because of pathing within the base itself. The ridges between the Ordos base and the Harkonnen base could be spread to the east a little. One tile on the west, a couple of tiles in the middle, my tanks keep swarming around and their defense forces overwhelm my trickling units unless I go around to the east completely. It's really inconvenient.

The Atreides base was harder to pry open this time, but not in any bad way. The Imperial base up top could use some more space though.

O9V3: The Atreides expansion on the south side of the map was nice. I'd put some medium gun turrets on the west entrance to make it a little easier to capture, but it wasn't hard to at all. Having Ornithopters for the main enemy bases was nice.

I like the terrain on this map in general, but I think the little area between the Atreides and Harkonnen bases could be a little more open. It's kinda difficult to get units in there. I ended up going through the main entrance. The Atreides base entrance could be expanded to face the bottom of the map, too. They have an expansion there, and that's what I went for first, so going up to the Atreides base would have been really convenient if not for the awkward layout right next to the Harkonnen base.

The little rock island east of the starting location could use some more space for buildings. I wanted to place another MCV there!

O9V4: The terrain on this map looked a little more artificial, if you know what I mean. The bridges are neat, but the cliff walls could use some rounding and stuff.

I liked the mercenary placement on the last map, but due to the terrain here, the player's base is just way more open. They helped a lot to stem enemy aggression in the last map, here not quite so much. The cliff wall just west of their base could be opened up, I think that'd help a bunch.

Thanks for the smuggler base in the top left. I guess it could use a few more defenders, like just some light vehicles would do, but it's fine as it is. Free money for the win. It is pretty far across the map, though, so a stable economy is perfectly achievable before we get the chance to send some engineers up there. I found it after leveling the Atreides base, so... maybe moving it down to the southwest rock island, or giving some kind of hint that it's there would be nice.

The Imperial and Harkonnen base entrances are so close to the Atreides it kind of demands the Atreides be taken out first. If you want, adjust the mercenary AI to prioritize Atreides structures. Otherwise, if you could open up the Imperial base a little more, or less-so the Harkonnen base, that'd be great.

Overall, this has been a fun and well-constructed campaign.

There. I hope that feedback is helpful! :)

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@Domaithianus

Your probably long gone, judging by the fact you've not logged in since January 2018, but I still want to share my thoughts and appreciation for your work, this is one of the best campaigns for Dune 2000 I've experienced and certainly one of my favourite's that I will revisit time and again, to replay missions with enthusiasm and saveless for a greater challenge. The composition of the map layouts were excellent, faithful to the original concepts but with your own unique reindition making for a familiar yet fresh experience. The terrain was creative and interesting, I like when authors make detailed rock formations, multiple paths around a map and especially alternative versions of the same mission for extra replayability. The difficulty was challenging yet fair, even catching me off guard in certain missions where I failed initially and had to restart and utilize a different strategy, I always play on Hard being a skilled player. I enjoy missions where you need to consider your tactics and build orders early, then consider how you progress from early to mid and then end game like a game of chess, you need to build a certain way and priortize different areas such as early defense or a strong offense in order to overcome an aggressive A.I and difficult circumstances. I will share my reflections on missions 4 and beyond as this is where the difficulty and enjoyment really kicked in for me.

I really hope you return one day and remake the Atredies and Harkonnen campaigns like you said!

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O4V3: This took me by surprise, on maps where the enemy base is far away and doesn't appear aggressive, not attacking frequently and sending a small to moderate amount of enemies, I like to push for a Heavy Factory early to start producing Combat Tanks which make for ample defense, able to hold their ground against most vehicles and crush infantry with ease. I saw the Smugglers attack and was able to fend them off with ease, then the Mercenaries and Harkonnen begin to attack in quick succession, I didn't prioritise early Troopers not predicting I'd be attacked frequently and in large numbers. This forced a restart when the situation became out of hand and I lost my units with my base becoming defenseless, I then restarted and took advantage of the rock formations to setup squads of Troopers, the most effective method of optimising their power becoming invulernable to being rocked, but very suspectible to Siege Tanks or Sonic Tanks. I was really surprised at the size of the Harkonnen base, stretching far from right to left, with several Gun Turrets to boast. I really didn't expect both a Mercenary and Smuggler base! No wonder they were able to manifest an effective strike force, especially with the Mercenaries having two Barracks and Light Factories, it's a drastic change to the O4V1 which is pathetic by contrast, the Smugglers having a paltry base with no Mercenaries or strong Harkonnen presence. This was an excellent challenging level early on, if your over confident and underestimate the strength of the enemy here.

 

O4V4: This was much easier by contrast, the Mercenaries are sectioned off in a corner of the map, away from their allies they were easy to attack and overcome, although having a Heavy Factory this time around it didn't make any significant difference to the threat of their attack force. The position of your base also offers a great strategic advantage compared to the other map, their is only one main entrance to your base which is enhanced with walls creating a funnel, making it easy to create a defense line to slaughter the enemy. Infantry can come from the southern ramp, however you can block this off and they won't come from the top northen side which has rock formations, this is excellent as it forces tanks into one opening as well. The Smugglers and Harkonnen being far away in the bottom right hand corner, aren't a threat in this map and rarely attack, they are sitting ducks awaiting their demise from your ravishing forces. A very fun and unique alternative compared to the prior, despite feeling much easier.

 

05V2: Oh boy I love the mining spice to purchase the Deviator mission, it's intense with the swarm of Infantry that can amass if you don't take the Barracks outposts early. In the original I choose to destroy the Atredies entirely, I'm a completionist and opt for annihilating the enemy even if it isn't part of the objective. On this map while the Infantry force didn't feel as large and menacing compared to the original, I liked the fact the Atredies had two bases, a smaller one serving as a forward outpost then a large one which was tough to crack with one narrow entrance with walls, then comprised of tanks behind it making for an effective defence line. The Atredies tank force was more of a threat when it came to base defense, I had to build four Gun Turrets to feel secure, so they can hold off an attacking force with Siege Tanks to take out Infantry and reinforced with Troopers, I prefer not to use tanks solely for defense where possible, as you then lose money having to replace or repair them, when I need to be amassing them for my assault upon the enemy base. When it came to attacking, I had to recuperate after taking out the smaller base, not having enough to take out their main base effectively, another great mission which has a familiar layout to the original, but is more challenging thanks to the increased aggression and resources the Atredies have.

 

05V3: This one was tougher compared to the previous. It's a very creative and interesting design choice, you capture a small outpost, then take over a base rather then build your own, however on this map it felt like the Atredies attack with much greater numbers, they only have their main base, then one Barracks outpose as opposed to two on the other map, but this doesn't depreciate their capability, rather they are more threatening here, especially when they aren't predictable and sometimes prefer to send most of their force against the smaller outpost, which I walled off and made into a mining facility. I built some Gun Turrets and Troopers with walls to fend them off, with the walls in place all they could do is succumb to gun fire and weren't able to run amok and destroy my spice mining encampment. By contrast it felt easier to attack the Atredies here, they aren't spread out but focused in one corner, although their base entrances are smaller and have two Rocket Turrets on both sides, it didn't feel as occupied compared to the one on the other map, which was larger by contrast. This map was an excellent example of role reversal, it was harder to defend your base but easier to attack the enemy's.

 

O6V3: Wow I found the original O6V1 to be hard when played blind and you don't have an effective strategy to build a force with economic efficiency to protect the Starport which is far away. This map was a very interesting setup, your exposed being in the centre of the map, with the Atredies in the top left and the Harkonnen in the bottom right, although the Starport is near a Smuggler encampent, they are negligent and don't assist directly, instead they only appear to attack when their own harvester or forces are provoked. This was a tough and formidable challenge with the enemy attacking from different directions making them unpredictable in their attack patterns, I opted to build Troopers and Quads early on for protection against the Harkonnen which come from the south west area and decided to wall up the southern ramp, because their are walls already near it so why not take advantage to exploit the situation? I felt like I had control over the situation, cutting down the Harkonnen with ease in my central base then the Atredies began attacking from the north and they came with large amounts of heavier tanks, where the Harkonnen mainly used Trikes, Quads and infantry. I needed to support my Gun Turrets with squads of Quads, particularly when Missile Tanks came in quick succession and detachments of Siege Tanks. The attacks on the Starport were infrequent, but this was brilliant because you lull the player into a false sense of security, when the Harkonnen attacked from the south I reinforced it with troopers and some tanks, however near the end when the timer was almost over, I really didn't expect a large Atredies tank force to appear from the north and sneak attack. I couldn't have done this without saves and will definitely replay this mission saveless to get a true impression of the challenge. With the arrival of the massive reinforcements it's like the original, the pressure eases off but it took time to take out both bases, the Harkonnen having a big base in the corner with narrow entrances, I decided to attack from both the north and west entrances simultaneously to crush them. An excellent reinterpretation of the original, unique and challenging with a great layout.

 

O6V4: This was just like O6V2, in that it was really piss easy compared to O6V1 and O6V3, like no challenge by contrast. The Smugglers this time are in front of your base and even have a small defensive line, the Harkonnen need to go through them to get to you, what happened is their was absolutely no threat to my base or the Starport, hell thanks to the extra space you put I just built a Refinery and Heavy Factory on the nearby rock formation! I was able to get my economy setup really easily and quickly, focusing on Harvester production and using my tanks to reinforce the Smuggler forces to ensure they remain in tact, by contrast on the other map I couldn't focus on Refinery/Harvester production early due to the amount of incremental and frequent attacks. It also felt much easier taking out both bases, they are smaller with wider entrances and felt less occupied. A very fun mission despite being far easier.

 

O7VB1: This was interesting, really fun but weird in that it was easier compared to the Starport mission, I naturally assumed it would be harder as it comes afterwards. The Atredies post little to no threat, I just stationed Troopers and Infantry by the south east where they attack and they managed to hold off anything they mustered. The north west Harkonnen base is the real threat, being large and producing Devestators, but they aren't a threat to your base as they focus on the Mercenaries and they in turn harass and attack them, it's only the eastern base which only produces light tanks that really attacks your base, hell I didn't need to build any extra turrets, just use the tanks I built along with the Gun Turrets to defend my base, protecting the engineering team is easy, they aren't specifically targetted by the enemy and you can wall off the entrance to the west, although no one really attacks from there in the first place. It didn't seem justifiable building the Starport, as you only get two Deviators and a Missile Tank infrequently at best, ofcourse I didn't expect massive reinforcements like the previous level but hopefully something more abundant. After taking out the eastern base, I capture their Repair Pad which is a common tactic of mine, as it's a handy way to repair your army without having to retreat. Then I focus on the big Harkonnen base, taking them out from the top east entrance and slowly working my way through, doing my best to avoid the cluster of turrets in the west and destroying their power. The Atredies are in a weird position in this map, the eastern Harkonnen base is in their way, so they can only attack from the south east and their base isn't as occupied or threatening by contrast, they were easy to destroy. Playing as the Mercenaries was easier and more fun, I didn't spot you get Starport reinforcements as normal, they are certainly more effective compared to the Ordos deliveries. Thanks for creating this fun bonus mission, despite being way easier then expected!

 

O7V3: Here is where it gets really challenging, I actually had to restart twice after failing early on, I didn't expect both the Atredies and Emperor to attack early, consistently and with intimidating numbers. I struggled with defence and lost my forces, until I changed my build order to putting down a Refinery and a Heavy Factory immediately, creating a tank force of 6-7 Combat Tanks, which were able to fend off attack waves and hold their ground without being destroyed, then I got a repair pad to ensure their longevity and got my economy going to expand and start building an army. The Mercenaries are like the original, good at distracting the enemy and taking pressure away from your own forces, but not strong enough to take out a base on their own without assistance. I loved the small enhancement you made to their encampment, with the surrounding walls and one Rocket Turret, it's a neat touch. I also liked how you changed their delivery forces, they mostly get Siege Tanks with Troopers here, as opposed to Trikes and Quads in the original, with the rare delivery of Combat and Missile Tanks. I took out the small outpost to the right, then the larger one in the top right, then ended with descending upon the main base from the top right entrance which is weaker, because fuck going through the southern one with rocket turrets and the mass of tanks behind it. I liked how the Imperial Rocket turrets were right next to the Atredies Construction Yard, making it hard to take out if you've got a weakened attack force, I actually couldn't take out the whole base with one wave of forces, which were crippled from taking out the prior bases and had to send in a second wave. Thanks to the Mercenaries attacking in synchronicity with myself, we won the day against a grueling mission, it's great when you attack together with them, most of the time they either attack too early when I'm not ready or late when I'm already ready to go.

I replayed this mission with the Mercenaries and found it easier compared to Ordos, I play the Mercenary ones authentically, meaning I only use the units supplied by Starport deliveries and never purchase anything extra, using what I have intelligently, mixing units to enhance overall strength and reduce weaknesses and waiting till I have a formidable force to attack with. Although I actually failed the first time early on, because I wasn't paying attention to protecting the Ordos harvesters, they lost one to many and ended up selling their whole base xD In the second and successful run I actually did it saveless unintentionally! After I took out both outposts, I had a small to medium and crippled force with mainly Siege Tanks, if the Atredies had numerous Sonic and Missile Tanks in their base I knew I'd be annihilated when attacking, but I gritted my teeth and attacked from the top right entrance, with careful unit positioning I was able to take out most of their base, then the Ordos finally joined in and finished them off. I assume the Ordos don't have any specific scripting as they seem to build like skirmish A.I, they mostly focus on building their base and just kept building harvesters! Then finally built an army after a long bloody time! An excellent re-creation of the original, far more challenging and intense, I love the last three Ordos missions where you have Mercenary allies, their a very unique and cool addition.

 

07V4: This was another example of role reversal, it's easier to defend here as the Atredies and Imperials don't attack as often nor with a force as menancing compared to the prior map, however it's harder to attack their bases as the Atredies is larger and the Imperials have their own fully fledged one. The Mercenaries seemed to fair better on this map, they were more effective at crippling the outer defense of the Imperial base and pretty much took out the southern Atredies Barracks outpost after I cleared out the two main bases. When playing as the Mercenaries I first took out the Imperial starport in the corner where the Atredies base is, as a full scale assault at any other entrance would result in heavy casualties and a destroyed army, then I worked my way down taking out their power and their remaining forces before descending onto the Imperials for a delectable slaughter. Overall a very cool, alternative version of classic Mission 7.

 

O8V3: This was a tough nut to crack, the enemy attacks frequently from different diections, in big numbers and early on, the Harkonnen have a giant base which was tough to take out and you need to destroy the Imperial outpost to get to the weaker entrance. Their is a lot of pressure from both entraces to your base early game, but after getting your defence up and a bunch of units you gain control and can hold your ground. I focused on the Atredies first being the primary choice, as their base is smaller and easier to attack, then working my way to the Imperials and attacking the Harkonnen through the weaker entrance. I wasn't able to take out the Harkonnen base with my first force, but crippled most of their productive facilities and could muster up a second force to win the battle. I always thought M8 was one of the hardest for Ordos next to M6, due to having to face both a big Atredies and Harkonnen base, supported by a small but effective Imperial outpost that receives reinforcements in succession. It was unusual to see the Mercenary base have so many turrets, the south east entrance with Gun Turrets was puzzling as the enemy never attacked there so it seemed pointless. A challenging and awesome remake of the original.

 

O8V4: This was still as oppressive and challenging, the Harkonnen's are really nearby and although their base is smaller, it's well defended and hard to penetrate as it's stuffed with tanks, it was grueling to take them out and took a while of crippling their economy and launching an effective assault with enough units from their eastern entrance. The Mercenary base is much smaller, having no Light Factory and only one Rocket Turret, but their safe from attack with only Sarduakar harassing the eastern entrance, a few well positioned Siege Tanks neutralized them. Here the Atredies have the larger base, however they aren't the biggest threat, as the Harkonnen are much closer but they seem to be more aggressive in attacking more frequently. In fact it was easier to take out the Atredies simply due to capturing the Harkonnen base and making good use of Devestators to tear through the northern Imperial outpost, then working downwards, devouring the Atredies in turn. An very awesome map, like your other missions the mapping layout and structural detail feels like it was made by Westwood :)


O9V3: The end game to this glorious campaign, certainly ends with an impressive bang! Like the original the Mercenary base is front of your own, effectively acting as a shield, they prevent any northern threat from reaching you and create an effective distraction against an attacking force, this makes a huge difference making defending your base a breeze and the difficulty comes from taking out the remaining armies. The Harkonnen base is large and stretches in breadth, making it hard to take out in one fell swoop, reinforced with Imperials to the east and with turrets everywhere, it's a formidable fortress to decimate, I took over some structures but couldn't fully gain control with my first attacking force. Their was a slight struggle in between building a second force and holding on to my assimilated structures, before finally wrestling control and destorying the entire base. Then I felt the Imperials were a larger threat then the Atredies, having a larger tank force when attacking, their base was a pain in the ass to attack, forget going across the central bridge, it's cramped, full of turrets and a funnel making you a sitting duck, the western entrance supported only by Gun Turrets was the best choice. It's funny how their base is small, yet they produce units more frequently compared to the other two, making them a bigger threat as a result. By choosing to take the Emperor out first, it's easy to attack the Atredies from the north which is defenceless and has their windtraps exposed, crippling their southern turrets and the remainder of the base, the south eastern base was quiet and easy to destroy. So attacking the bases was the brunt of the challenge like the original, but actually protecting your base is easy thanks to the Mercenary presence, a very satisfying conclusion to this excellent remake.

 

O9V4: This was the harder of the two, like 09V2 the enemy bases are in close proximity with one another, as a result you pretty much have to take out the Atredies first, as theirs is the only base where the other two aren't directly adjacent, otherwise you risk being caught in a deadly crossfire if you try to take out the Harkonnen or Imperials first. The Mercenaries are slightly further away, but have the benefit of having only one entrance to the west, which is more strongly fortified with extra turrets compared to the other map, however they seem to attract more attention from the Harkonnen and Imperials, so I had to reinforce their defence or they risk being overrun. It was a more slow and cumbersome onslaught compared to the other map, due to how cramped the Atredies base is, everything just congregates at one focal point, making it harder to penetrate and extinguish the enemy force being your force is obliterated. Then I took over the Heavy Factory by their top east entrance and built a defensive wall of Rocket Turrets and started massing Missile and Sonic tanks to take out the Harkonnens and southern part of the Imperial base. These ones were easier to annihilate, as their economy and growth seems to be stagnant by the time it came to seeing their demise. I don't think I even noticed the Smugglers till near the end, but a great source of additional revenue to aid in finishing off the remaining armies. I didn't dig the criss cross bridges in the Imperial base, just annoying to traverse and causing a big cluster fuck :D However still an excellent finale that does justice to the original, with it's own unique interpretation.

There you have it, if you actually read this and return I'll be gobsmacked, but if it was a futile endeavour no matter, thank you for sharing your creative talent at awesome game design.

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