The Holy Trinity - kosher or meshuggah?

[Acriku]

I'd like to learn more about the Holy Trinity. But please don't get angry if I argue with your explanations, I will not accept any explanation if I feel something is not right. I do not take things blindly, I think about what is being said. Hopefully in the end we will all benefit from this. BEGIN!

[Caid Ivik]

hm, do you mean jewish or christian concept?

[nampigai]

Osiris, Isis and Horus?

[Anathema]

Have you been reading some of Dan Brown's books, Namp? ;)

[Caid Ivik]

why not then Svarog, Perun and Veles, to bring forth wisdom of my own blood...

[nampigai]

Have you been reading some of Dan Brown's books, Namp? ;)

yea - I don't think he mentions them in those I've read though  - but it's in "The templar revelation" by L. & C. Prince Picknett.

[Anathema]

I'm pretty sure he mentioned it in The Da Vinci Code, though briefly. It's full of inaccuracies, I could pick many of them out myself and because I enjoy learning about history it was a pain in the ass. In the book Brown goes even as far as claiming that christianity was influenced by Aztec rites- nevermind the fact that early christians had never been in contact with them because of the Atlantic Ocean and all ;D

Brown is a sellout, I don't know anything about Picknett though.

[nampigai]

Brown is pure fiction and should only be read as so.

as for Prince Picknett, if religious history interrest

[TMA_1]

it depends on the interpritation, and from what people spoke of above, their religion. Are you asking about an interpritation of the trinity from someone who takes the bible literally acriku? if so then I think we can narrow down the search. If that is the case, then really you can find the information you are looking for through many websites, I can supply them if you like. If you are looking for debate, then there would be some that would like to step in. So really, what are you asking for?

[Acriku]

biblical verses describing this trinity, and whether or not it can be interpreted that way. It's a start, anyway.

[Anathema]

There are no verses directly describing the trinity. It's an interpretation, a construction of several biblical verses. Hence why disagreances caused a schism in christianity early on. Non-trinitarists (?) saw the trinity doctrine as a disguised form of polytheism, and it explains why territory with predominately non-trinity believers (Egypt and Judea for example) were assimilated into Islam so quickly, wich they viewed as a true monotheistic religion.

[GUNWOUNDS]

i believe the scriptures do refers to the father, son , and holy spirit... and i think from the diff descriptions and references given throughout the bible its possible to decipher what each is like.  I gave my take on it in that other thread thats here in PRP.

[TMA_1]

hmm I could get some verses. The verses in the old testament are very sparse and open for speculation in many peoples opinions.

[Egeides]

As a know-nothing, I'll try in some simple way:

In one can be found the permanent (universal) person, its incarnation in the particular, and its act through the world (passage from the being to the rest). That would do Father, Son and Holy Spirit. As I said, I know virtually nothing of it: just read basic things. I guess I tend to look for movement and concept, a dynamic entity rather than sadly emptied dogmas.

No incoherence, it goes pretty well; just as Buddhism and others try to explain the world, Christianity does so but often it was written "for everyone" rather than scholarly all the way.

Now, this is just my personal wandering and I never went much further. I'd be curious to get comments from some theologian on this.