The PSP

[EWS]

You know, I like the PSP.

[EWS]

I actually visit Gamespot daily.  Like Is said, I don't like thier meida file types.  And waht the hell does that ahve to do with this?

[EWS]

I actually think that it was implied in my quote the gamecube had better graphics.  Everyone knows that the Gamecube had better graphics then the PS2, and as for Gamespot.  Like I said, I had major problems with their streaming and downloading services so don't get up at me about not having seen a video of the revolution controller.  Not everyone can spend their whole day sitting about on the internet watching movies and downloading stuff.  I have to work, I have to learn and I have to study.

With the PSP, people buy it because they have always bought Sony.  The same reason why all celebrties have iPods (and near everyone else as well) have one is because they are fashionable.  The PSP is turning into that as well, however it still doesn't mean that it offers a good expierience.  People tend to stick to what they know, and I still think that the price of the PSP can be justified.  I'm afraid that I don't have the figures to hand about how much the individual components cost to manufacture.  How much the chip took to develop etc... All of these go into the final price of the machine.  Teh DS was cheap to make as they didn't have to develop a media system, the ability to play movies or the ability to incorporate a data stick into the machine.

Xbox at 299$...smart moves? Nope...The only reason they 're doing it is so they can claim they launched at 299$...The hard disk alone makes for the difference in price as it costs $99 itself. And if you don't have a hard disk you 'll need a memory card. So that's already more than 299$

Like I said above, it's a pretty good marketing ploy.  However I can see sense in what they are doing.

Even though they 're 4 (and often they get more people) and play lots of This is football

Man that game sucks.  Educate them in the way of the Pro Evolution Soccer my Greek friend. :D

Micro is aimed at different people than the SP. It hasn't arrived yet, but I see people checking the advertisements, people who would never have bothered about the original game boy advanced

I've seen a micro, played a micro and nearly bought one.  They are just so cool, but I wouldn't play it ever.  I don't need to because I have a DS.  But the size amazes me, you see the advertisments "Actual size displayed" well you don't fuly appreciate the full extent of the size until you see one in the "flesh".

The reason why people have bought the PSP are simple.  They stick with what they know, and what they love.  People will not deviate from the track if they are unsure whether they are going to like it.  I know of plenty of people who don't like Metroid Prime, Mario Kart, Mario 64, Zelda and all the other "classic" Nintendo games so it would make perfect rational sense to them to buy the PSP instead.  On that they can get to play games that they do like - Grand Theft Auto, Pro Evolution Soccer, Gran Turismo, Metal Gear Acid etc... so I think it would be kinda harsh to bash them for that - after all it is their opinion and their money.

If I draw on the point that I made about people sticking with what they know, and love it would follow that for those who the PSP was their first handheld they would be enetering the era of their life when they would be buying it.  I'm lucky, I grew up with a commodore, Atari ST 520, the SNES, the MegaDrive then progressing onto the PC, the PS, the N64 and so forth.  Many who have bought a PSP have only expierienced the PS2 and were really too young to play the magic of the Gameboy, or maybe even the advance.  Though it would be interesting to see the amount of gamers that have a GBA(or SP) as well as the PSP and their relative age.  I think it would show that a high percentage have both.

All my friends had a GBA, then had a PS2.  Refused to get the DS, or even a GC but instead went out and got a PSP.  They are sticking with a brand that they are comfortable with - much like a particular brand of jeans or clothes.

[Dragoon Knight]

It seems as though you can't go even one post without insulting me or calling me a fanboy, Spectral Paladin.  My point regarding the stylus is valid, regardless of what you may think; and if you took the time to read the posts I make, I have noted several times that the PSP has superior graphical capabilities and comes with more versatile and advanced multimedia features.

However you continue to mock my comments, and reduce them to what you class as "fanboy" arguments.  EWS - my best friend for over 13 years - has vouched that I am not a fanboy, and he has known me for that long.  You don't know me at all, have biased views towards Nintendo, disrespect each and every PSP owner simply because they bought a PSP... and yet you still have the audacity to call me a fanboy?

Your tone is reminiscent of Emprworm; debasing my opinions, and using your own 'superior' views to mock me.  It's the type of flaming that's most common nowadays, because the person who's doing it can always worm their way out of any disciplinary action by arguing semantics and implied tone.  My arguments have always been reasonable; the one you seem to take affront to most being that a stylus is easy to lose in comparison to no stylus being required.  It is an empirical fact that it is easier to lose something that exists than something that doesn't.  Your personal opinion doesn't come into it - I don't care if you think people who would accidentally lose a stylus are idiots.  My friend has lost several, and he is not an idiot.  The point I'm making is that they can be lost, which would theoretically hinder gameplay.  Accept this as you should, and keep your personal insults to yourself, because they are not welcome here.

Your point regarding the DS being better than a mobile is self-defeating; you state the obvious afterwards.  The DS can't be said to be better or worse than a mobile, because they are two different pieces of equipment.  It's like saying that a toaster is better than a kettle; there really can be no comparison.  What I've been doing is comparing the PSP and the DS - two games consoles.  These two pieces of equipment are on the same level, and are ripe for comparison and adult debate, something you seem incapable of doing without resorting to insults in an attempt to make your arguments seem better.

I've said it several times now, though you seem to conveniently ignore it; the PSP is a better console overall, depending on your definition of console.  The PSP is a multimedia device, and the features it offers (music, video, etc.) are all of a better quality than the DS can ever hope to be.  Its main weakness at the moment is the games lineup, something that will constantly change over the next few months, and as such is not really the best basis for a snapshot comparison... though use it if you want.

The DS, on the other hand, is a pure gaming handheld.  Nintendo have designed it in a similar way to the Xbox 360 Core System; it will play games and perform some standard features, but the main focus is on its innovative gameplay style.  It doesn't focus so much on the other features that are becoming commonplace for games consoles everywhere.  One of the major weaknesses of the Gamecube was that it couldn't play DVDs, while the PS2 and Xbox could.

The PSP says "here's everything you need in one machine; buy me".  The DS says "here's innovative gameplay at its best; you want more?  You can buy more".  Both views are valid, my personal opinion has always been that I prefer the PSP's statement, but that's just the type of person I am.  I don't expect my valid point of view to be reduced to your level of argument, Spectral Paladin.  You continue to make inappropriate posts, directed at me personally, instead of arguing any kind of rational comparison.

EWS has honoured my request that this thread be brought back on track, with valid arguments being posed from both sides.  Your article said that most find the DS too heavy, but EWS indicated differently, saying that he's used to using just one hand, and found the PSP slightly heavier than he would have thought.  He brought up points regarding similar situations in the past, with the Dreamcast being the 'underdog', but still producing great games.  He highlighted the point that - despite your own arrogant views - staying with a brand simply because of the brand is an acceptable choice, because you know that you can trust it.

If you can't reply to this thread without calling me a fanboy, or debasing my views, or dismissing my opinion without valid reasons... then don't bother posting at all, Spectral Paladin.  I've lost nearly all respect for your views and opinions, and the fact that I already know what your response to this post will be pains me even more.

[jeff2429]

I see people who buy it because it is sony's.

And I'm not buying the DS because it's from Nintendo, the makers of the crapcube.  :P

[erjin999]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/5071830.stm

Nintendo is outselling psp games or console as well ? What markets ?

I like the closing line though, the best game nintendo never made ! :P

[Danuary]

Well erjin, good job on reviving a long dead thread. It has been quite a while since the argument, I wonder if any opinions have changed seeing the new chain of great games that have been certainly a long time coming for the DS and the phasing out of the PSP as a game console.

BTW, do you even own either?

[erjin999]

Nope, and I didnt revive an argument, I revived a thread about the psp ;).

I saw this article in the news site and remembered this threadm thats got to relevent, no ? Remember, I didnt partake in any of this argument, only a few posts about some controls, if I remember correctly.

Anyway, have you read the bbc story ?

[Danuary]

RTFA? yes, and I thought that the ending comment was rather funny if a bit "fanboyish".

[erjin999]

Yeah, that was all I wanted to show.

[exatreide]

While I still think the PSP is a better system, currently the DS has better games. The control sceme of the PSP seems to be a problem..

BTW I have a 360 now, and it's a sexy beast.

[erjin999]

Yeah, if I were going to get one, I would get the nintendo unit, but I guess I just prefer the colourful nintendo games aimed at my age group (mental age  ;)).

The 360 is nice. First place I saw Oblivion being played on.

[lord vernius of ix]

i only have one problem with psp its a great hand held but suffers from what is for me the bane of most conoles, the lack of anthring other than turn based strategy gaming,

where the rts love? i want to know! ea said cnc would make its way to psp, but will it be an rts, or some wierd assbackwards step to turn based? if its turnbased, turn me lose in ea's

rd facility cause im gonna rip there spine sout there colons!