More UN corruption

[emprworm]

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[Edric O]

I know its fun for Europens to bash the USA, but every once in a while you gotta take a look in the mirror

I wasn't aware that Iraq is located in Europe. Then again, Bush probably thinks it is...

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[emprworm]

"Sounds like a better title for this topic would be "More corruption from Saddam, who made an even bigger profit from US policies than previously estimated, and dealt with europeans under the table via kickbacks, who many europeans still think should be in power today, whom corrupt UN european member states knew of the corruption and did nothing because it meant $$ in their pockets."

[Edric O]

Excuse me, but where exactly does Europe come into this story? You were talking about Iraq and the Oil-for-Food program.

[Megashrap]

  Well also it did not help much that, inside the Security Council, France, Russia and China openly opposed sanctions, threatening doom for any UN official tempted to blow the whistle on Saddam's cheating.

[emprworm]

France and Russia were getting kickbacks from Saddam.  There were several other countries as well but I dont know them off the top of my head.  The US was not one of them.

[Edric O]

France and Russia were getting kickbacks from Saddam.  There were several other countries as well but I dont know them off the top of my head.  The US was not one of them.

No, but it was US policy that made the kickbacks possible in the first place...

And on a related note, since you seem to be so keen to blame entire countries for actions carried out by small minorities of their rich and powerful, what about all the US companies who did business with the Nazis during the 1930's?

[Caid Ivik]

Yes, nazistic Germans and jewbolshevik Russians were to be isolated and annihilated, surely, EdricO? And how they accepted those Jews with their ugly capital spreading german fascism in USA, that's really terrible.

[Anathema]

Caid you don't know what you're talking about. IBM made millions selling computers to Germany so they could manage the paperwork for their deathcamps.

Emprworm, I'm European and I think I can watch in the mirror without seeing any relation with Husseins regime. What is your point?

[nemafakei]

Please define and explain what you mean by 'kickbacks'. I want to know where you stand and what exactly you mean was going on.

[emprworm]

Caid you don't know what you're talking about. IBM made millions selling computers to Germany so they could manage the paperwork for their deathcamps.

Emprworm, I'm European and I think I can watch in the mirror without seeing any relation with Husseins regime. What is your point?

and Germans elected the Nazis.  So?  Americans had no idea what Nazi's were doing.  You cannot hold Americans in contempt.  Once we found out, we saved ur arses.  IBM is exhonerated.  This is opposed to the UN who KNEW Saddam and STILL took kickbacks.  And were not talking about a private company (like IBM) we are talking about government officials

[Megashrap]

No, but it was US policy that made the kickbacks possible in the first place...

  Surely you don't think it was the U.S. to blame entirely because other countries somehow found loopholes in a policy, sanctions etc.  That could apply for any country passing any policies.

[Anathema]

and Germans elected the Nazis.

[emprworm]

again, I say, no one really KNEW what the Nazi's were doing to the Jews!

[nemafakei]

Please define and explain what you mean by 'kickbacks'. I want to know where you stand and what exactly you mean was going on.

[Anathema]

Even if they were stupid enough not to have a vague clue of what Hitler would do with those machines and if you actually forgive them for selling hardware to a regime that was horrorible enough even if you leave out the murdering itself (embargo's were imposed on other countries for doing much less), IBM never apologised for making this genocide possible (wich they should have done even if the really did not know) and refuses to this very day to release their full records from that period.

[Anathema]

By the way emprworm, if you earned money with something wich signed the death ticket for millions of people, would you keep the money?

[emprworm]

yes.  that happens with every dollar i spend.  when you put gas in your car, you are helping fund some Islamafacist somewhere stone his wife to death because she looked at another man the wrong way.  At the heart of money is corruption, wickedness.  You cannot spend it, without having it enter into the hands of a maniac.  SO.....I spend it.

[Megashrap]

By the way emprworm, if you earned money with something wich signed the death ticket for millions of people, would you keep the money?

Not that I support them in what they do but tobacco, alchohol companies seem to be doing just that, and are sleeping well at night.

And didn't the BAYER comp. also play some role in some way?

[Anathema]

@ emp: me things can't be prevented without paralysing the whole economic system, true, but is that the case here? Assuming they did not know they are still picking the fruits of 12 million dead. They should have denounced this blood money by giving it to the family of holocaust victims.

@ scar5150: well maybe that's because smokers and drinkers actually chose to use those products, I'm fairly certain none of the jews/gipsies/homosexuals sent to Auschwitz asked to have their longs filled with toxic gas ::)

[emprworm]

denounce blood money?

[Anathema]

I'd be happy to, there's not a single dollar in my wallet ;)

What you're saying implies that even if IMB had full knowledge of the holocaust they would still not be acting unethictly because aiding in killing 12 million is essentially no different from putting gas in to your car, right?

[Caid Ivik]

Hm, you are confusing me, I thought you were carrying on my ironious tone. My humor is weak and even worse in english speaking enviroment, but what I wanted to explain is, that the nazi reign hadn't control over whole market. Even the socialist control system had no such mechanisms that you could say, that by trading with anyone from here you were supporting the government.

[Dunenewt]

Oh god. Empr, do you have any idea what Europe looks like? Do you know what countries are in Europe, and how many there are?

[nemafakei]

Please define and explain what you mean by 'kickbacks'. I want to know where you stand and what exactly you mean was going on.