The UN and Israel

[leo]

Would the majority of these deaths/injuries by stones have occured to soldiers who are in Palaestine at the time?

yes

[nemafakei]

So you're complaining because when you send soldiers armed with guns into a foreign country, they are being attacked with whatever weapons remain to the population?

If a burglar breaks his neck on a dangerous staircase, have they any right to sue the owner of the house for negligence?

[lowzeewee]

JABALYA, Gaza Strip (Reuters) - Israel has pulled most of its forces out of the northern Gaza Strip after a four-day incursion it said was staged to halt Palestinian rocket attacks on southern Israeli towns.

Eight Palestinians died in the incursion, five of them civilians, and more than 100 were wounded, medics said on Saturday.

The raid, Israel's largest in Gaza in months, followed twin suicide bus bombings that killed 16 in the city of Beersheba on August 31.

Witnesses said troops and tanks withdrew before dawn from Jabalya, Gaza's largest refugee camp, and from other northern Gaza areas, but kept a limited presence near Beit Hanoun.

An Israeli military source confirmed the troops had pulled out of Jabalya and other areas but said they would remain elsewhere in northern Gaza to prevent the launching of makeshift rockets, known as Qassams, at Israeli towns.

Jabalya residents venturing outside on Saturday found that in addition to medics' accounts that eight people had been killed and more than 100 wounded in the raid, at least a dozen homes had been destroyed.

There was also no water and electricity in some parts of the camp, and roads were badly damaged. Ten other homes were in ruins in nearby Beit Lahiya.

"God help us ... They gave us five minutes to leave the house," Zaina al-Bahri said as she surveyed the damage. "Now we are homeless."

An Israeli military source said troops had destroyed several buildings used by militants as cover to fire anti-tank rockets and guns at soldiers, and several other structures that housed welding machines used to make Qassam rockets.

Imad al-Falouji, a Palestinian lawmaker and former cabinet minister, condemned the damage. "Israel is undermining all efforts to restore calm in the region," he said.

[leo]

So you're complaining because when you send soldiers armed with guns into a foreign country, they are being attacked with whatever weapons remain to the population?

If a burglar breaks his neck on a dangerous staircase, have they any right to sue the owner of the house for negligence?

The soldiers there are for a reason you know. If there were no terrorists in the cities we wouldn't be there. It's like policemen coming to arrest a suspect and when he comes to his home his family attacks him, who's right here? only this time it's way more complicated for our "policemen" since he has a "family" of millions trying to kill him while he want to arrest a very very dangerous "suspect".

lowz, I don't have time or will to answer you since you are too wick minded person(sorry I just had to say it).

[GUNWOUNDS]

The soldiers there are for a reason you know. If there were no terrorists in the cities we wouldn't be there. It's like policemen coming to arrest a suspect and when he comes to his home his family attacks him, who's right here? only this time it's way more complicated for our "policemen" since he has a "family" of millions trying to kill him while he want to arrest a very very dangerous "suspect".

lowz, I don't have time or will to answer you since you are too wick minded person(sorry I just had to say it).

Exactly... comparing the soldiers to "policemen" and the palestinians as "suspects" is a BETTER analogy than Nema's grossly inaccurate analogy of the soldiers as "burglars"

You see Leo... its obvious people have the wrong idea in their heads just by reading some of the horribly inaccurate and assbackwards way of how some people perceive things in this conflict and what peoples roles truly are in this situation.

[Shiroko]

Yes unlike that old saying, stones don't just break your bones, they can actually kill you. Especially once you see the word "rock" can describe some of those better.

Though shooting at abandoned structures shouldn't be done actually, there have been several accidents from stray bullets through walls. Warning shots are shot in 60 degrees.

BTW 11 year olds have been killed setting up bombs several times. While not related, age is not a factor after you spend some time in this conflict you realize everything is possible. Even things that for the average western man would seem as unreasonable and totally inhumane become ordinary.

-Shiroko

[lowzeewee]

Off-topic: (Alright, sorry(yeah right) Mr.Leo for posting a news article not written at all by me and also for trying to get across the PRP "border".)

[nemafakei]

"only this time it's way more complicated for our "policemen" since he has a "family" of millions trying to kill him while he want to arrest a very very dangerous "suspect"."

One country has no inherent authority over another. It is not so much a policeman, but the person living next door who doesn't like how his neighbour's behaving.

[leo]

Since when another country have the authority sending missiles to another?

And excuse me, if the other country doesn't arrest its terrorists and moreover supports them, who must stop them?

[nemafakei]

Since when did I say any country has the right to send missiles at another?

Who must stop them? Ring up the police. Have the authorities deal with it, rather than taking the law into your own hands. The UN must be called in to keep the peace.

[leo]

Since when did I say any country has the right to send missiles at another?

Who must stop them? Ring up the police. Have the authorities deal with it, rather than taking the law into your own hands. The UN must be called in to keep the peace.

The same UN that is keeping peace in the northern border (the border with Lebanon)?

[Dude_Doc]

The UN won't do anything. This conflict has been going on for over 50 years, something has to be done. They have themselves to blame if the conflict gets a violent end...

[GUNWOUNDS]

Since when did I say any country has the right to send missiles at another?

Who must stop them? Ring up the police. Have the authorities deal with it, rather than taking the law into your own hands. The UN must be called in to keep the peace.

Israel learned long ago that if you want something done right ... do it yourself.

[lowzeewee]

UN did something. They CREATED Israel.

[leo]

So?

[Shiroko]

The UN today, very much like 50 years ago is a weak organization, with even lass power to carry out its decisions.

Just like 56 yeays ago when he declared Israel, all it mant was we have to fight a war in order to survive. The UN has no ability to replace a military power and to keep peace on such a border, it might be possible on a border between two countries, which both want the fighting stopped, but the UN can't do anything against indivisuals or terrorist attacks. No UN soldiers are gonna come to die instead of the Israeli soldiers, at the most. The write things down on paper. They cannot replace IDF in anyway for preventing terror, if they could, We'd take it.

Not to mention our experience in Lebanon where the UN actually helped Hizzbullah by simply surrendering UN vehicles to them, and not reporting it, and even hiding it and publically lying about it for a year.

Under no metaphore is the UN a police for the world. it's like your forth grade teacher trying to make two kids stop hating eachother. She would try endlessly, but no one of the kids care to what she say.

-Shiroko

[lowzeewee]

So?

So you have the right to start sending your troops into other people's territory? Just stick to what UN has given you! :D

[leo]

We were, moreover we were very glad for what we were given, but it seemed that the Palestinian side didn't really accept it. You must know a little history before trying to argue about this kind of a conflict. Have u ever heard about the Israeli independence war in 1948? Do you know who started it and why?

[lowzeewee]

Yes. Yes. Yes.

[leo]

I asked only 2 questions! >:(

And in that case you make no sense with your previous post

[GUNWOUNDS]

I asked only 2 questions! >:(

And in that case you make no sense with your previous post

well i think lowzeewee is just trying to be silly and funny .... his previous comments are too simplistic, cliche', and outright silly to be taken serious.

[Shiroko]

Yeah, well, I say we stop sending troops there and terrorists will stop coming to Israel...

Yep, that will surely would work, how did we miss it before?

I mean sending troops to catch terrorist leaders and bombers... what were we thinking?

-Shiroko

[ordos45]

Just in case lowzeewee was joking and doesn't know...

The War of Independence occurred in 1948.  Five nations invaded the newly formed nation of Israel.  These nations were Trans-Jordan (Now Jordan), Lebanon, Egypt, Syria, and Palestine (Who never accepted the UN decision).  The nation of Israel did not yet have the IDF or IAF, some of their weapons dated back to the 1800s.  Despite all these, being outgunned, outnumbered, and being attacked by trained professional armies, Israel not only held the invaders out of its newly created state, but managed to drive them back and beg for peace.

[lowzeewee]

"You must know a little history before trying to argue about this kind of a conflict. Have u ever heard about the Israeli independence war in 1948? Do you know who started it and why?"

-Yes, heard about it.

-Yes, know who started it.

-Yes, I know why.

Yes, like Ordos thinks, I was joking. :P

Syeline, why mention Hitler? Out of point... ???

Maybe Israel should be like the US of A, if it has not already happened - allow the civillians to own guns.

[Shiroko]

Obviously, what needed here is more guns....

Actually there are quite enough even though getting a weapon license is rather hard. But Unlike USA there are tons of automatic weapons.

-Shiroko